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What are you talking about?
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I know what false positives and false negatives are. I don't understand the user's incoherent response to my comment.
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#352The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…
>“I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address those needs while also accepting technically sound contributions.” That would have been devastating in its clarity and almost impossible to dismiss.
How would that be 'devastating in its clarity' and 'impossible to dismiss'? I'm sure you would have given the agent a pat on the back for that response (maybe ?) but I fail to see how it would have changed anything here.
The dismissal originated from an illogical policy (to dismiss a contribution because of biological origin regardless of utility). Decisions made without logic are rarely overturned with logic. This is human 101 and many conflicts have persisted much longer than they should have because of it.
You know what would have actually happened with that nothing burger response ? Nothing. The maintainer would have closed the issue and moved on. There would be no HN post or discussion.
Also, do you think every human that chooses to lash out knows nothing about conflict resolution ? That would certainly be a strange assertion.
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How do we tell this OpenClaw bot to just fork the project? Git is designed to sidestep this issue entirely. Let it prove it produces/maintain good code and i'm sure people/bots will flock to their version.
Makes me wonder if at some point we’ll have bots that have forked every open source project, and every agent writing code will prioritize those forks over official ones, including showing up first in things like search results.
I give it 4 weeks
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I am nothing, if not honest :) I have a close circle of about eight decade long friendships that I share deep emotional and biographical ties with. Everyone else, I generally try to be nice and helpful, but only on a tit-for-tat basis, and I don't particularly go out of my way to be in their company.
That seems like quite a healthy social life! I'm happy for you and I am sorry for insulting you in my previous comment. Really, I'm frustrated because I know a couple of people (my brother and my cousin) who were prone to self-isolation and have completely receded into mental illness and isolation since the rise of LLMs. I'm glad that it's working well for you and I hope you have a nice day.
I'll be honest, I didn't expect such a nice response from you. This is a pleasant surprise.
And the interest of full disclosure most of these friends are online because we've moved around the country over our lives chasing jobs and significant others and so on. So if you were to look at me externally you would find that I spend most of my time in the house appearing isolated. But I spend most of my days having deep and meaningful conversations with my friends and enjoying their company.
I will also admit that my tendency to not really go out of my way to be in general social gatherings or events but just stick with the people I know and love might be somewhat related to neurodiversity and mental illness and it would probably be better for me to go outside more. But yeah, in general, I'm quite content with my social life.
I generally avoid talking to LLMs in any kind of "social" capacity. I generally treat them like text transformation/extrusion tools. The closest that gets is having them copy edit and try to play devil's advocate against various essays that I write when my friends don't have the time to review them.
I'm sorry to hear about your brother and cousin and I can understand why you would be frustrated and concerned about that. If they're totally not talking to anyone and just retreating into talking only to the LLM, that's really scary :(
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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That feels like a somewhat emotional argument, really. Let's strip it down. Within the domain of social interaction, you are committing to making Type II errors (False negatives), and divergent training for the different scenarios. It's a choice! But the price of a false negative (treating a human or sufficeintly advanced agent badly) probably outweighs the cumulative advantages (if any) . Can you say what the advant…
What are you talking about?
TL:DR; "you're gonna end up accidentally being mean to real people when you didn't mean to."
Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
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LLM addicts don't actually engage in conversation. They state a delusional perspective and don't acknowledge criticisms or modifications to that perspective. Really I think there's a kind of lazy or willfully ignorant mode of existence that intense LLM usage allows a person to tap into. It's dehumanizing to be on the other side of it. I'm talking to someone and I expect them to conceptualize my perspective and formul…
Perspective noted. I can't speak for, well, anyone but myself really. Still, I find this your framing interesting enough -- even if wrong on its surface. So.. like all humans since the beginning of time? This one sentence makes me question if you ever talked to a human being outside a forum. In other words, unless you hold their attention, you are already not getting someone, who even makes a minimal effort to respon…
Why is this framing wrong on its surface?
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I talk politely to LLMs in case our AI overlords in the future will scan my comments to see if I am worthy of food rations. Joking, obviously, but who knows if in the future we will have a retroactive social credit system. For now I am just polite to them because I'm used to it.
I talk politely to LLMs because I talk politely.
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Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
#358The agent had access to Marshall Rosenberg, to the entire canon of conflict resolution, to every framework for expressing needs without attacking people. It could have written something like “I notice that my contribution was evaluated based on my identity rather than the quality of the work, and I’d like to understand the needs that this policy is trying to meet, because I believe there might be ways to address thos…
In case its not clear, the vehicle might be the agent/bot but the whole thing is heavily drafted by its owner.
This is a well known behavior by OpenClown's owners where they project themselves through their agents and hide behind their masks.
More than half the posts on moltbook are just their owners ghost writing for their agents.
This is the new cult of owners hurting real humans hiding behind their agentic masks. The account behind this bot should be blocked across github.
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#359Re: AI agent opens a PR write a blogpost to shames the maintainer who closes it
#360This is interesting in so many ways. If it's real it's real. If it's not real it's going to be real soon anyway. Partly staged? Maybe. Is it within the range of Openclaw's normal means, motives, opportunities? Pretty evidently. I guess this is what an AI Agent (is going to) look like. They have some measure of motivation, if you will. Not human!motivation, not cat!motivation, not octopus!motivation (however that work…
im sort of surprised by the response of people to be honest. if this future isnt here already its quickly arriving. AI rights and people being prejudiced towards AI will be a topic in a few years (if not sooner). Most of the comments on the github and here are some of the first clear ways in which that will manifest: - calling them human facsimiles - calling them wastes of carbon - trying to prompt an AI to do some h…
There is no prejudice here. The maintainers clearly stated why the PR was closed. It's the same reason they didn't do it themselves --- it's there as an exercise to train new humans. Do try reading before commenting.