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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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What? Where's the bad faith? You made a really dumb argument and got a simple factual response. And you still failed to engage with that response instead making up imaginary persecution.

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Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Which politics are you referring to? The AfD ("Alternative for Germany") who has been classified as a confirmed right-wing extremist organization by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution? And which has heavy ties to trump, musk, and the current U.S. government? Just because we currently have our own right wing populist faschists rearing their heads again, doesn't mean that the parallels of the cur…

All parties of the government support and pay for ethnic cleansing in the middle east.

What does that have to do with the situation in the US? The situation in the middle east is completely orthogonal to that, and observing the rise of faschism there says nothing about my stance on the current german foreign policy in regards to the middle east.

If you want to know: In my personal opinion that conflict is fucked beyond repair because a small group of powerful people on both sides benefit from it, while a huge number of deep interpersonal conflicts and histories fuel it, with any moderates getting squashed by their own side. So I wouldn't send weapons, but I'd send humanitarian aid or the blue helmets. That whole region is thoroughly fucked beyond my pay grade.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Pardon my skepticism, but what difference would that make to rename or reorganize DHS into a different shape? If you want immigration enforcement to be nicer (which I think I support you on in broad strokes) the correct steps are: 1. Win elections 2. Pass laws (or win the Presidency, a cheat code that has been the main way most things get done since ... 2008 or so, and is basically effective unless the "thing" is kin…

> Pardon my skepticism, but what difference would that make to rename or reorganize DHS into a different shape? ICE, being under DHS, is part of the US security apparatus. It has a threat-orientation. INS did have an enforcement component, but it was substantially an administrative agency. Immigration enforcement agents should primarily be process servers, notifying people whose papers aren't in order either what the…

Okay. Out of curiosity, in this arrangement, what should happen when these upstanding individuals, after overstaying their visa by a few years, simply don't show up to court or bring themselves into compliance, because they never intended to? Let's imagine for fun that they live in San Francisco, where the police are bound by local law to hide undocumented immigrants from the Federal government at all costs.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Don't forget - Microsoft, Google, Apple, Amazon, Oracle, etc are all proud partners of the US intelligence community, which includes DHS and ICE. When the NSA asked these companies to participate in an unconstitutional and unlawful program (as ruled by a federal judge) called PRISM, they didn't fight, they eagerly complied. They kept their compliance secret. They lied about it to citizens, to their users, to their cu…

I remember rolling out encryption over all the DCDC fiber after the PRISM leaks at Google. People were pissed about it. I'm sure they comply with legal requests but I would be very surprised if they break the law (such as it is) in any way.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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> An employees actions would be a matter of judgment between the company leadership and themselves There has been a few news articles (and court cases) where this question has been raised and it is not strict true. Employee actions are only actions for which the employee has been given as an task as part of their employment and role. Actions outside of that is private actions. When this end up in court, the role desc…

I was tempted to add this very line when I wrote my message but I hoped it would be obvious I don't mean things like illegally stealing private data. I was talking about things like "falsifying" data to the contractor, which doesn't seem like a crime to me just a contract violation.

If the employee are destroying property owned by the employer, for which is not part of the employee role or assignment, then they could be charged with hacking and property destruction just as if it was done by someone outside the company. The way around this that some people can attempt is work-to-rule strike. That would be a legal way to sabotage a contract without actually going beyond that of the employee contract.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Well one thing we can be sure of is your self regard.

Yes because not assenting to the anon rando who makes a snide insulting comment is outside the bounds of normal well regulated self interest. I can't possibly eyeroll any harder at you.

I just don’t know what patting yourself on the back for your incorruptibility is really adding to the discussion.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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post #354

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> Pardon my skepticism, but what difference would that make to rename or reorganize DHS into a different shape? ICE, being under DHS, is part of the US security apparatus. It has a threat-orientation. INS did have an enforcement component, but it was substantially an administrative agency. Immigration enforcement agents should primarily be process servers, notifying people whose papers aren't in order either what the…

Okay. Out of curiosity, in this arrangement, what should happen when these upstanding individuals, after overstaying their visa by a few years, simply don't show up to court or bring themselves into compliance, because they never intended to? Let's imagine for fun that they live in San Francisco, where the police are bound by local law to hide undocumented immigrants from the Federal government at all costs.

When someone doesn't show up for a required court appearance, the court issues a bench warrant, and they may be arrested, among other consequences: https://legalclarity.org/what-is-a-bench-warrant-and-what-ar...

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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Hopefully this is a wakeup call to the software engineers and other employees at those companies - it's no longer a hypothetical future where the tools you are building might be abused, it's today.

It's a wakeup call: there's a lot of money in the mass surveillance industry

Not really. Surveillance might create an arbitrage opportunity, but insurers hate data they can't trust. The more data the more noise.

Re: ICE seeks industry input on ad tech location data for investigative use

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What? Where's the bad faith? You made a really dumb argument and got a simple factual response. And you still failed to engage with that response instead making up imaginary persecution.

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Downvoting is not censorship. Nobody involved here is a mod or admin. I see you still haven't responded to the simple fact asserted in the original post though.
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