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Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by zelphirkalt »

boringg wrote: post #215
PeterStuer wrote: post #124

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By default, Teams never releases your audio input channel, even when you close it.

Why would they do that? So annoying.

2 theories:

(1) They couldn't imagine anyone ever closing their gloriously developed MS Teams.

(2) Since everyone knows MS Teams and sitting in meetings all day is the one most important thing to get stuff done, they went ahead and made MS Teams a "priority". F using anything else! Maybe if it doesn't release the audio input, it will be 50ms faster next call! That ought to be enough for you!

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by chakazula »

philipallstar wrote: post #324
shevy-java wrote: post #192

Makes sense. This software dependency that Europe has on the USA is very, very bad - no just with regards to Zoom, but literally anything. The US corporations are forced by law to always prioritize whoever represents the current US government, and the current US government will remain hostile as long as it is in charge; but even afterwards it is quite logical to assume that any follow-up government will prioritize US…

France does everything right except produce much software. I'm sure it can copycat things pioneered by the US, and 20 years later, but that's not exactly difficult.

To me this is the point right? Everything that's spent enough time in the oven and has been commodified should be eventually launched as a public service. If we lived in a reasonable world this would be how things are done instead of installing permanent toll booths on everything and letting it get shittier and more expensive.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by bigfudge »

Teever wrote: post #314
cianmm wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would a private company deciding to release a Linux version of their product signal a government's follow-through? As far as I can tell, there is no current connection between Solidworks and the French government.

Solidworks is produced by a company that is owned by the Dassault Group. There is always a connection between the military industrial complex of a nation and the state. If France feels that it is an existential threat they will not let the design and maintence of their weapons be dependent on an operating system produced by a company based out of a country that has threatened them. I'm not saying that this will happe…

EU have access to Windows source code. Presumably if the shit really hit the fan we'd have a European build without all the spy/crapware added? Not much of a consolation given we'd have to be on the brink of WW3 for it to happen...

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by bilekas »

WhyNotHugo wrote: post #247
input_sh wrote: post #167

Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

> Code bases are on GitHub Not a very solid way to move away from American big tech :/

The other commenter nailed it down. But I want to add that removing dependance on US companies is not some kind of spiteful act. It's purely down to both privacy and reliability.

Having private companies in the US becoming more involved with politics is fine for the US apperantly, but the EU just don't want to be involved.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by tzs »

How did they decide to name their Zoom/Teams replacement "Visio"?

There's already an extremely well known program called "Visio", namely Microsoft Visio, and it is included in many of the same Microsoft commercial office products that include Microsoft Teams. If you tell someone to switch from Microsoft Teams to Visio a lot of people will assume you mean Microsoft Visio and get rather confused.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by jabwd »

skippyboxedhero wrote: post #136
spicyusername wrote: post #3

Such a shame that so many U.S. citizens do not see the ramifications of their political decisions. Each one of these actions is a stepping stone the world is taking as a direct consequence of U.S. political negligence. And however difficult it was to render this consequence, it will be tenfold, or hundredfold, as difficult to reverse course.

Failing to make xenophobic choices when it comes to...enterprise software, is the issue? The US has spent tens of trillions defending Europe indirectly subsidizing social policies despite this the US has persistently been unpopular with Europeans because, obviously, they are a political target for domestic politicians (btw, you see this almost everywhere...if country A gives country B subsidies, you will almost alway…

I think you are failing to realize the billions the US has made from "defending" europe. Regardless, once the US is no longer colonizing the entire planet and the dollar isn't the only currency anyone cares about your opinion will change realllll quick. You'll have forgotten this wall of nonsense you wrote though by then I'm sure.

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by bilekas »

dkga wrote: post #290
bee_rider wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they have local copies as well, and just figured they might as well take GitHub’s free bandwidth and social networking features.

Next year: LeGit !

Or GitOobe.. although I like the idea of ÜberGit.eu

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by fsckboy »

dkga wrote: post #290
bee_rider wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe they have local copies as well, and just figured they might as well take GitHub’s free bandwidth and social networking features.

Next year: LeGit !

"la forge" in french is feminine, it would need to be LaGitette

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by Flere-Imsaho »

pkulak wrote: post #56
larsnystrom wrote: post #38

There seems to be a huge business opportunity in Europe right now, to sell support and customization of open source software to government players. Has anyone heard about a European company that’s been successful in this area?

Matrix has done a bunch of work with the French government in the past. Hopefully they can capitalize on this sentiment.

More information here:

https://www.computerweekly.com/news/366633894/European-gover...

(0ct 2025)

Interestingly, there is also a NATO-Matrix app:

https://element.io/en/case-studies/nato

Re: France dumps Zoom and Teams as Europe seeks digital autonomy from the US

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Post by [deleted] »

quadrifoliate wrote: post #203
input_sh wrote: post #167

Worth pointing out: France is not adopting existing open source software, they're building their own software and releasing it under the MIT licence. Most of it (or all of it?) is Django backend + React frontend (using a custom-built UI kit). Home page for the entire suite (in French) with some screenshots: https://lasuite.numerique.gouv.fr/ Code bases are on GitHub and they use English there: https://github.com/suit…

Gotta give them props for all the English. I know that can't have been easy. Now they just need to change the name so it's not so obviously French, and invite collaboration from the other large EU countries. I wonder how many Dutch or German will think of "La Suite Numerique" as an EU-wide office suite.

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