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A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
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Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
> An additional benefit of isolating the account is it would help to limit damage if it gets frozen and cancelled. you end up on the fraudster list and it will follow you for the rest of your life (CIFAS in the UK)
Sure, if the bot is actually committing fraud, but there's perfectly valid use cases that don't involve fraud, e.g., buying groceries, booking travel. And some banks provide APIs, so it's allowed for a bot to use them. However, any of that can easily lead to flagging by overzealous systems. Having a separate account flagged would give the user a better chance of keeping their regular payments system around while the…
Still end up marked. Don’t do it
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
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You do understand that is who you’re competing with now right? My daughter is a excellent student in high school She and I spoke last night and she is increasingly pissed off that people who are in her classes, who don’t do the work, and don’t understand the material get all A’s because they’re using some form of GPT to do their assignments, and teachers cannot keep up I do not see a world in the future where you can…
Ironically I feel like this may force schools to get better at the core mission of teaching, vs. credentialing people for the next rung on the ladder. What replaces that second function remains to be seen.
I think it actually will just make school even less relevant
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#354Earlier quoted context omitted.
You do understand that is who you’re competing with now right? My daughter is a excellent student in high school She and I spoke last night and she is increasingly pissed off that people who are in her classes, who don’t do the work, and don’t understand the material get all A’s because they’re using some form of GPT to do their assignments, and teachers cannot keep up I do not see a world in the future where you can…
Wrong way to look at it. Generally there are 2 types of human intelligence - simulation and pattern lookup (technically simulation still relies on pattern lookup but on a much lower level). Pattern lookup is basically what llms do. Humans memorize the maps of tasks->solutions and statistically interpolate their knowledge to do a particular task. This works well enough for the vast majority of the people, and this is…
At the longest timescale humans aren’t the best at either
I have yet to see a compelling argument demonstrating that humans have some special capabilities that could never be replaced
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#355> as someone who has a chest freezer and a compulsive desire to buy too many things at costco, we take everything out of the freezer every few months to check what we have. before, this was a relatively involved process: me calling things out, my partner writing them down. A thought I constantly find myself having when I read accounts of people automating and accelerating aspects of their life by using AI... Are you…
The freezer one is so weird because there is an even simpler solution to the problem. Just buy less shit! If you have so much stuff that you can’t keep track then don’t have so much stuff, simple. I think there is a common psychology when people notice a problem they first think about what they can add to solve the problem, when often the best solution is to think about what you can remove.
100%.
I follow the OrganizationPorn subreddit because sometimes I like looking at pictures of neatly organized stuff. But so much of the photos are from sprawling suburban houses with enormous pantries and "craft rooms" with just So. Much. Stuff.
Unless you're feeding a family of 12, I don't know how anyone can keep that much food without half of it going bad before you get to it anyway.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
> That's because the loudest voices don't really get how the technology or the science works. They just know how to shout persuasively. These people have taken over the industry in the past 10 years. They don't care anything about the tech or product quality. They talk smooth, loud, and fast so the leaders overlook their incompetence while creating a burden for the rest of the team. I had a spectacular burnout a few…
Social skills to get my computer to do what I want still blows my mind. Or having to talk back to it. Claude said it couldn't do something, and the way around that was too tell it "yes you can". What a weird future we live in.
Claude said it couldn't do something, and the way around that was too tell it "yes you can".
>kill dragon
With what? Your bare hands?
>yes
Congratulations! You have just vanquished a dragon with your bare
hands! (Unbelievable, isn't it?)Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#357This felt like a sane and useful case until you mentioned the access to bank account side. I just don't see a reason to allow OpenClaw to make purchases for you, it doesn't feel like something that a LLM should have access to. What happens if you accidentally end up adding a new compromised skill? Or it purchases you running shoes, but due to a prompt injection sends it through a fake website? Everything else can be…
>OpenClaw to make purchases for you
But don't you want the agents to book vacations and do the shopping for you!!?!
Though it would be nice if "deep research" could do the hard work of separating signal from the noise in terms of finding good quality products. But unfortunately that requires being extremely skeptical of everything written on the web and actively trying to suss out the ownership and supply chain involved, which isn't something agents can do unguided at the moment.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
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This is how billions of people across the planet manage their pantries. Get off this site and talk to real people more often.
And I am pretty sure every single one of those "billions of people" have had the experience of returning back from the grocery store, only to realize they were actually out of eggs.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#359Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is how billions of people across the planet manage their pantries. Get off this site and talk to real people more often.
Billions of people don't use calendar apps so they're useless; just remember your meetings. Billions of people don't use todo list apps so they're useless; just remember what to do. Billions of people don't use post-its apps so they're useless; just remember what you're going to write down. Billions of people don't have cars; just walk. You can dismiss any invention since industrial revolution with this logic.
Funnily enough at least in my personal anecdotic case it works about like that. I do just remember when my meetings will be (or look up where the meeting was decided on), do try to remember what I had planned (sometimes I forget, but almost always for the better), and written notes are rare enough that pen and paper are sufficient. And also don't have a driver license. I don't think my case is exactly rare, even among softdev croud.
Re: A sane but bull case on Clawdbot / OpenClaw
#360This article convinced me to try to set up OpenClaw locally on the my raspberry pi but I realised that it had no micro SD card installed AND it used micro HDMI instead of a regular HDMI for display which I didn't have…
Some of the takes in this article relate to the "Agent Native Architecture" (https://every.to/guides/agent-native), an article that I critiqued quite heavily for being AI generated. This article presents many of the concepts explored there in a real-world, pragmatic lens. In this case, the author brings up how initially they wanted their agent to invoke specific pre-made scripts but ultimately found out that letting go of the process is where the inner model intelligence was able to really shine. In this case, parity, the property whereby anything a human can do an agent can do was achieved most powerfully buy simply giving the agent a browser-use agent which cracked open the whole web for the agent to navigate through.
The gradual improvement property of agent native architectures was also directly mentioned by the article, where the author commented on giving the model more and more context allowed him to “feel the AGI”.
ClawdBot is often reduced to “just AI and cron” but that might be overly reductive in the same way that one could call it a “GPT wrapper” in the same way that one could call a laptop an “electricity wrapper”. It seems like the scheduler is a significant aspect of what makes ClawdBot so powerful. For example the author, instead of looking for sophisticated scraper apps online to monitor prices of certain items will simply ask ClawdBot something like: “Hey, monitor hotel prices” and ClawdBot will handle the rest asynchronously and communicate back with the author over slack. Any performance issues due to repeated agent invocations are ameliorated by problem context and runbooks that are automatically generated and probably cost less time than maintaining pipelines written in plain code for a single individual who wants a hands-off agent solution.
Also, the article actually explains the obsessions with Mac Mini’s which I thought was some kind of convoluted scam (though apple doesn’t need scams to sell Macs…). Essentially you need it to run a browser or multiple browsers for your agents. Unfortunately that’s the state of the modern web.
I actually have my own note taking system and a pipeline to give me an overview of all of the concepts, blogs and daily events that have happened over the past week for me to look at. But it is much more rigid than ClawdBot: 1) I can only access it from my laptop, 2) it only supports text at the moment, 3) the actions that I can take are hard coded as opposed to agent-refined and naturally occuring (e.g. tweet pipeline, lessons pipeline, youtube video pipeline), 4) there’s no intelligent scheduler logic or agent at all so I manually run the script every evening. Something like ClawdBot could replace this whole pipeline.
Long story short, I need to try this out at some point.