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Post by CamperBob2 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #183
bdangubic wrote: post #172

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you should have learned by now what trump et al are doing… these “cases” they are “losing” are just smoke&mirrors for the general public to go “see, they obey the law” on things they do not particularly give a hoot about. the ones they do care about no one is “stopping” - the way you can tell which one is which is when they completely ignore the constitution and any existing law(s) or when they hit up the judicial ex…

It seems to me that we're seeing precisely the opposite. Trump enjoys the appearance of inevitability, so whenever he finds something he cannot force through, he pretends that it doesn't matter to him and he never really cared about it in the first place. I'd encourage you to make a list of the top 10 things you're worried he's about to do now, and check back in a few months to see how many of them came true. One big…

I'd encourage you to make a list of the top 10 things you're worried he's about to do now, and check back in a few months to see how many of them came true.

I don't have to "check back in a few months." Look at what he's accomplished in only one year: https://www.project2025.observer/en . Far more than he was able to do in his four previous years in office.

Trump is basically doing all the things that he wanted to do in his first term, but that were slow-walked, stonewalled, and sandbagged by the so-called "adults in the room." There are now very few if any of those adults left, and that includes judges who are willing and able to put a leash on him.

If you're not deranged, you're not paying attention.

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Post by fundad »

verdverm wrote: post #98
kabdib wrote: post #63

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> incompetency "corruption"

spite of one man child

Almost half of the voting public intentionaly acted to sabotage the country. Let's stop treating them with kid gloves, they are anti-American and should never be forgiven.

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Post by rootusrootus »

array_key_first wrote: post #346
rootusrootus wrote: post #115

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> Whatever that means It means Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the room. Again. I wish we would quit reacting to every stupid thing he says.

The whole reason we're in this mess is because not enough people took him seriously. As a rule, Trump supporters treat him like a buffoon, a liar, and instigator. The only people who seem to believe Trump are his opponents.

He is literally flooding the zone, and it is working because we fall for the bait every time. This is how he manages to skate on the more odious actions, because until someone actually gets killed the public is desensitized to all the shrill "he's ending democracy" claims that sound faintly similar to, and about as credible as his claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

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Post by rootusrootus »

b00ty4breakfast wrote: post #184
rootusrootus wrote: post #115

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> Whatever that means It means Trump is sucking the oxygen out of the room. Again. I wish we would quit reacting to every stupid thing he says.

When a guy with a gun says he plans on shooting you, you take him deadly serious.

Yes, but this is not taking him seriously, it is panicking over every idle provocation he utters. Taking him seriously would be the right way to approach it, and we are not.

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Post by rootusrootus »

watwut wrote: post #257
rootusrootus wrote: post #103

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It certainly gets us to keep talking about him. Which seems to be his primary skill. It does not have any basis in reality, however.

Reality check is that he has actual track record on delivering or trying to deliver on his anti-democratic impulses. In terms of personal monetary gain, he is the most successful president of history. He is also actually successful at making Project 2025 reality. He is on the way to cause very real harm (economic, physical) to blue cities too.

> In terms of personal monetary gain, he is the most successful president of history.

And in terms of legislative impact he is the least successful president in history. I don't like the corruption one bit, but on balance it is probably the less damaging of the two.

> He is also actually successful at making Project 2025 reality

Not at all, though, on any kind of permanent basis. He is showing that you can make the executive branch do shitty things with executive orders. What he isn't managing to do is codify any of this in law. There's a reason that the universities and other 'elites' knuckle under and cut deals with him -- they know that these deals are informal and temporary, and go away with the next POTUS. If Trump took this agenda to Congress and got it enacted into law it would persist for many more years.

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Post by array_key_first »

rootusrootus wrote: post #353
array_key_first wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole reason we're in this mess is because not enough people took him seriously. As a rule, Trump supporters treat him like a buffoon, a liar, and instigator. The only people who seem to believe Trump are his opponents.

He is literally flooding the zone, and it is working because we fall for the bait every time. This is how he manages to skate on the more odious actions, because until someone actually gets killed the public is desensitized to all the shrill "he's ending democracy" claims that sound faintly similar to, and about as credible as his claims that the 2020 election was stolen.

The authoritarism has been slow but very real, democracy has been in danger and goes to a more precarious place with each passing day. It's very credible, and of course people don't want to listen because it sucks. Who wants to hear bad news? It's very basic human behavior.

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Post by ecshafer »

Hikikomori wrote: post #342
ecshafer wrote: post #339

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Lower courts have a lot more activist judges than SCOTUS. SCOTUS has fewer activist judges than they used to, and are now busy interpreting the law based on the constitution, not on what their own personal grievances are.

5 current scotus judges are part of the federalist society. Do you believe only "leftist" judges are activist judges?

Federalist society is supporting textualist interpretation of the law. If you want the law to be different, then change the constitution. Having overly expansive interpetations of the constitution to make the law what you want is being an activist. Textualism is just going by what the law says.

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Post by rootusrootus »

vkou wrote: post #186
rootusrootus wrote: post #102

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It is not too useful to make bold unsupported claims that the current administration has the power to subvert elections. That just lowers us to their level, and the last thing we need is for a further erosion in confidence in our democratic system. The states run elections, and no matter what Trump says to get people to keep paying attention to him, they don't jump when the president tells them to. The feds have mone…

Half the states are actively engaging in voter suppression, and the ones that aren't are under attack on all fronts by the federal government.

Yes, if the states themselves which to subvert their own elections, they definitely have the power to do that.

> under attack on all fronts by the federal government

That seems hyperbolic. There's a lot of rhetoric, certainly, but executive orders are toothless against the states and they all know it.

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Post by wolrah »

chongli wrote: post #160
pwarner wrote: post #146

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I'm not advocating their system, but here's one pro for China obviously.

China doesn't have flip-flopping like this with its attendant massive waste. Instead it has endemic corruption which siphons off funds all over the place, perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

> Instead it has endemic corruption which siphons off funds all over the place, perhaps with the exception of the big projects that command the full attention of central leadership.

We also have endemic corruption siphoning off funds all over the place, ESPECIALLY in the big projects that have the attention of the current administration.

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Post by rootusrootus »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #264
rootusrootus wrote: post #102

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It is not too useful to make bold unsupported claims that the current administration has the power to subvert elections. That just lowers us to their level, and the last thing we need is for a further erosion in confidence in our democratic system. The states run elections, and no matter what Trump says to get people to keep paying attention to him, they don't jump when the president tells them to. The feds have mone…

Elon Musk just announced spending 300 million to make it harder to vote. And it didn't even make the headline of the article I read it in. And he's being spreading lies about elections for years. Again, not regularly mentioned even in critical articles about him, because it's so normalized.

Elon is not the federal government, however.
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