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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Anecdotal to myself. I shamefully sometimes use TikTok, I particularly like recipe clips and even I noticed something in the last week, most noticeably around this weekend where the algorithm for recommendations changed. It’s like they completely wiped my preferences. I try not to watch anything political so I cannot say much about censorship of content but something was noticeable in the last week.

Same experience here, and also I noticed several channels I used to be following I was no longer following after the hand offs. The feed is completely different now.

Something definitely broke.

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#352
post #211

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It’s January. My bad for not being as infallible as you are. That’s not what Romney said. His - and the wider establishment’s - concern is that unsanctioned content is allowed to be treated the same as any other content. Anyone knows that TikTok simply tailors your feed to your interests & interactions. But even this is not acceptable when it comes to topics the establishment doesn’t want disseminated. And if they ha…

> That’s not what Romney said. His - and the wider establishment’s - concern is that unsanctioned content is allowed to be treated the same as any other content.

The axios article you linked was not actually very clear about what Romney said, and the actual quotes are consistent with my points.

> Anyone knows that TikTok simply tailors your feed to your interests & interactions.

You'd have to be pretty naive to think that's all that it does or all that it will ever do. Think about it: the most effective kind of influence and manipulation would also be "[tailored] to your interests & interactions," and subtle enough that you don't perceive it as manipulation.

> And if they had undeniable proof that TikTok was boosting/manipulating such content, why haven’t they revealed it now that TikTok US is under US control?

They don't need undeniable proof, just like I don't need undeniable proof that I've been hacked to lock down my router. Are you saying I should enable remote admin and leave a weak password until I have undeniable proof I've been compromised? Because that's the standard you seem to be setting for mitigating vulnerabilities.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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TikTok US it no longer controlled by the Chinese.

Sounds like you're in agreement with the parent - outside the US, people see content that reflects poorly on the US, and which is blocked for US citizens

The painful to answer question is whether the intention is to block the spreading of lies or the spreading of truth?

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#354
post #188

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Care to elaborate?

Most Americans are unaware of how China is collapsing. All news is censored.

Can you share the supporting data?

Gordon Chang has been making this prediction for almost a quarter century. Will it happen before or after the Mayan calendar predicts the end of the world??

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

#355

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"I said you were right" is not doubling down, and looks like an accurate description of the conversation to me. OP got hostile for no good reason. If it's different, they can talk about how it's different instead of going on the attack against someone that listened and tried to provide information.

No hostility just amazing how I can share a datapoint as a long time user that something did interrupt the feed engine in a negative way and I get told it’s normal when in my experience it’s not.

I don't understand. Why is that amazing?

Sloppy analogy time: Imagine you came in and said your vacuum cleaner broke and someone said "Yeah, that brand loses suction after six months, it's obnoxious." They're telling you it's normal for that type of vacuum, but they're not calling you wrong, they're trying to agree with you. If your problem is different, go ahead and correct them, but they're not denying your lived experience!

(And don't say they should have inferred you knew about that behavior and known you meant this was different. That's too close to expecting someone to read your mind. Especially when your original post didn't mention you were a long time user with enough dedication to notice that.)

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#357
post #327

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We’re not sure what your point is. “Things of a similar nature have happened in the past” is not a particularly strong argument. > In every state of the US (and most countries), people disobeying law enforcement will die. If you want to live, you comply, and you fight in court. This is naked bootlicking. You only support it because you view it as “your team” or “your tribe” and do not feel threatened by it. Tables tu…

I don't view law enforcement as my team. But I do want the laws enforced.

> The violence in Minnesota--that is, law enforcement killing people who are not obeying them--is nothing new. Happens in every state every day.

Sure, agreed.

> ICE deporting people isn't new, either.

Yeah, agreed.

> What's new is the folks trying to stop federal agents from doing their jobs...

Nah. Cops of all flavors have been lying (even under oath) about how they beat the shit out of (or assaulted with chemical weapons (or killed)) someone because "I was afraid for my life", "I was being obstructed during the discharge of my lawful duties", and similar for ages. That's nothing new.

What is probably new is the scale of the deployments of killer cops. What's definitely new is the extent of the media coverage of the obviously-illegal-but-roughly-noone-will-be-punished actions of many of those cops.

That these cops are injuring folks, stealing and breaking their property, kidnapping folks, and killing folks is one huge fucked-up thing. The other huge fucked-up thing is that approximately noone will ask "So, why aren't these cops immediately in jail awaiting trial? Why don't the courts think this is obviously illegal? What has gone wrong here?". Instead, this will generally be pinned on either the Trump Administration, or Trump personally... so once he's out of office, folks will go "Job's done!" and nothing will change to fix the underlying long-standing problem. [0]

[0] Do carefully note: I'm absolutely not saying that the Trump Administration (or perhaps Trump, himself) is blameless. They absolutely are responsible for the flood of poorly-trained ICE officers who pretty clearly have orders to engage in domestic terrorism. I'm pointing out that these domestic terrorists absolutely should be immediately sent to jail for what they've done. Trump and the Trump Administration have pretty much nothing to do with the fact that USian cops can kidnap, brutalize, steal, and murder with almost complete impunity... that's a long-standing problem.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

#358
post #348

I will save this for the future, when people complain about Chinese open models and tell me: But this Chinese LLM doesn't respond to question about Tianmen square.

Currently, Tiktok US is owned by US Companies

that's exactly why I said, I am going to save this.

Then I will ask: what about TikTok US owned by US companies censoring anti-ICE and anti-Israel narrative, do they have freedom of speech?

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

#359

Why on earth are grownups using TikTok anyway?

Hopefully people will start seeing social media as what it is: a cheap, shitty, and extremely addictive drug. I am confident that in time, the opposite opinion will be viewed as insane.

As much as I dislike TikTok, I dislike this dangerous mischaracterization even more. If you start propagating the meme that screens are like chemically addictive drugs the governments of the world will feel emboldened to use violence force to 'regulate' them. Screens are not drugs. They do not directly manipulate the biochemistry of incentive salience regardless of valence of perceived stimuli. They just provide enjoyable stimuli. It is VASTLY different. Conflating them is playing in to the hands of the authoritarians.

Re: TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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> the rest of the world have easy access to. Except for China, where TikTok is nothing like the TikTok for the rest of the world

TikTok is different in China, but the rest of the world isn’t getting a completely free TikTok. TikTok is known for tipping the scales on political keywords everywhere. In the past they haven’t outright censored because that’s too obvious, but uploading videos on the wrong side (according to TikTok, of course) of a political topic will result in very few views. I wouldn’t be surprised if as part of the transition the…

> TikTok is known for tipping the scales on political keywords everywhere.

All social media does this. Even HN (through its users flagging articles). This article will be flagged by users and removed from the front page very soon, just as a similar one[1] was already.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46777652

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