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Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by mindslight »

eagle2com wrote: post #260
mindslight wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In what twisted imaginary world is saying that a serial killer was fair Exactly this. One doesn't use the word "fair" to begin with. Being killed is decidedly not fair , period. > I would like to see links to your opinions where you pointed to the "longstanding normalized hypocrisy in the systen" as a problem before the tariff nonsense. Write a script go to back through my HN comments as far as you'd like? I don't…

How about in a cynical sarcastic context? Do you think "fair" still has no place in it? That's how I interpreted the original message anyway. I guess I still have hope, maybe foolishly, that people don't mean it literally.

As a heavily sarcastic and often irreverent person myself, I think sarcasm translates very poorly to online communication in public forums. The main problem is the complete lack of context where you don't know where a commenter is actually coming from, so you lack the ability to interpret them making a particular statement as a deliberate absurdity.

So sure, maybe talking to friends I would find myself using the word "fair" that way as a punchline to a joke. But they'd know I'm not looking to normalize the new dynamic, rather than highlighting its perversity.

Then specifically here, OP doubled down on the argument rather than repudiating it. So I don't think it's really correct to call it sarcasm.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tim333 »

commiepatrol wrote: post #346

Because most European countries are US vassals. They have US bases on their soil. What kind of a sovereign nation will allow another country's military on their ground?? That means at the end of the day they will bitch and moan but eventually they will do what US tells them to do. Otherwise they'll get the same medicine that Libya, Iraq, etc etc has received for disobedience.

Most countries are ok with foreign troops if they are friendly and there to oppose a common enemy, basically Russia in the case of Europe. Europe doesn't fit the normal definition for vassal state.

It's unlikely the US will do a Libya on Europe. I think we'll probably just wait for Krasnov to pass.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tim333 »

cudgy wrote: post #284
fatbird wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump wants to brag, and be remembered, for adding Greenland to America, in the same way that Alaska was bought from Russia, or Louisiana from the French.

Or California (most of western US) from Mexico. Or Florida from Spain. What’s left?

Most of the rest was grabbed from the rightful ownership of us British due to an unfortunate business of Spain and France conspiring with the rebels.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tim333 »

cudgy wrote: post #285
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But the Supreme Court is going to judge, sooner rather than later. I sincerely hope they will rule against Trump (that seems to me the way that the merits of the case demand).

Supreme court cannot rule against all tariffs. Some tariffs will remain and adminstration can “reclassify”.

Though presumably they may require congressional approval for the tariffs?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by jijijijij »

Palmik wrote: post #344
jijijijij wrote: post #342

This post seems to be weirdly censored by HN. It got immediate traction, when it briefly hit the frontpage, yesterday. Since then, I reliably cannot find it coming from the frontpage (or 15 pages in). It's not flagged/dead, got quite a lot of upvotes, obviously, the topic is popular and highly relevant across industries as major inflection point for US-EU relations. Never noticed anything like that on HN. However, th…

You can find active discussions here: https://news.ycombinator.com/active (Including ones one flagged submissions)

Okay, but why isn't it visible in /news

This post is ranked 7th in /active, now. Quickly cross-checking /active and /news, I've found no other post in /active not visible in /news. It went from 100 to 200 points, since I noticed the delisting. /active is an obscure list, I doubt, that's how many people find this post.

Whatever HN is doing, it seems to be completely intransparent and selective. Some A/B-ing, or geofencing. In any case, questionable and manipulative. Like they are trying to hide interference and engineer popularity/engagement to whatever end.

And you have to wonder, if this has anything to do with the fact this particular political move seems to have greatly backfired on every possible axis, apparently even within the conservative and MAGA base. May turn out as exceptionally stupid, especially before midterms. I've seen impeachment calls in /r/conservative (lol), and they are usually an extension of Trumps digestive system. Diplomacy with Europe is basically dead, France wants to trigger the EU's extortion clause and it's a sunday.

Maaaybe there is active damage control going on.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by DustinEchoes »

cudgy wrote: post #290
DustinEchoes wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was glad when the Butler shooter missed. Now I’m not so sure.

So you would prefer Trump be a martyr?

Trumps death would have been out of the news cycle within a month, just look at Charlie Kirk.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by Redori »

Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #305
rwyinuse wrote: post #60

It's about time for EU to put 50% tax on American digital services, and get rid of all Microsoft products in public sector.

The downstream effects for America of this can be so insane that this might be the reason that the bubble might pop in the first place when reality sets in. Somebody should do a cost analysis of this and how it would impact S&P and the downstream effects of that as well and so on.

Let’s see Europe survive without American tech

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by tremon »

Redori wrote: post #358
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The downstream effects for America of this can be so insane that this might be the reason that the bubble might pop in the first place when reality sets in. Somebody should do a cost analysis of this and how it would impact S&P and the downstream effects of that as well and so on.

Let’s see Europe survive without American tech

Yes, please.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by layer8 »

Redori wrote: post #358
Imustaskforhelp wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The downstream effects for America of this can be so insane that this might be the reason that the bubble might pop in the first place when reality sets in. Somebody should do a cost analysis of this and how it would impact S&P and the downstream effects of that as well and so on.

Let’s see Europe survive without American tech

Which particular tech are you thinking of?
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