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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

alistairSH wrote: post #226
scottyah wrote: post #158

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Their fuel consumption is about the same, what externalities are you referring to?

Sure, if you're talking about high-power cars (M2, Corvette, etc). A Miata or Civic Type R will get far better fuel consumption. And there's also wear on the road, noise, and damage to property and people when accidents happen (physics is a bitch).

Sure, if you’re talking about high-power trucks (F350, Ram 3500). A Ford Maverick hybrid will get far better fuel consumption.

I think more sports cars are burning out, revving loudly (or getting modified to take out their mufflers), and the damage from going a lot faster creates more damage.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by scottyah »

sroerick wrote: post #324
wil421 wrote: post #145

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HN has hated Trucks and American cars, except when Tesla came out, for as long as I’ve been here. Same with Reddit.

It's pretty funny how much truck rage there is here.

It’s crazy to me. If you hate automobiles, trucks still make the most sense- if you’re just carrying people and a grocery or two you should probably be on a bike or ebike.

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Post by scottyah »

__loam wrote: post #303
scottyah wrote: post #236

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That's... a very uneducated take, even according to those car's CEOs RJ and Jim.

Normal cars vs the fever dreams of a ketamine addict.

And a lot of the best automotive+ engineers in the world.

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Post by bluGill »

jeffbee wrote: post #250
bluGill wrote: post #241

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And using the truck on weekends to tow the boat, or do other work with it. Not every weekend, but once a month in summer.

There are 5x more households with trucks than households with boats, so this hardly explains it.

There are a lot more uses of a truck than towing a boat.

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Post by subpixel »

idontwantthis wrote: post #64
subpixel wrote: post #49

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I disagree. I really want a Lightning but live in a very rural place, weekend in an even more rural place, and need to pull a trailer pretty often. I already have a plug-in hybrid that gets 40+ miles/charge and have opined all over the internet that the perfect car is one that gets 100+ miles/charge before firing any gas engine. It sounds like the next Lightning will give me that though I don’t put much stock in thei…

I don’t get plug in hybrids. All other engine types save you more money compared to the next less efficient alternative the more you use them, but plugins get closer to the less efficient alternative (regular hybrid) the more you use them. Add in the approximately 25% price hike over the hybrid version when there is one and it makes no sense to me.

I drive it to avoid burning gas, while not being dependent on electricity alone - not to save money.

For three years my plug-in hybrid let me commute 50 miles daily on next to no gasoline.

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Post by bluGill »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #260
bluGill wrote: post #239

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Trucks don't have to see gravel to be working trucks. If you use a truck for work purposes once a year it is likely cheaper to just drive a truck for everything than have a second car. Don't say rent a truck is an option - you probably can't rent a truck for most work purposes - most rentals have fine print against that, even if you can find a place to rent a truck the cost quickly gets to more than just owning your…

even if you can find a place to rent a truck the cost quickly gets to more than just owning your own truck. What? I regularly rent a Lowe's truck when I need one (tends to be every year or two) to move mulch, furniture, whatever. I don't understand this take.

I have not read the contract with Lowe's - but I know home depot's contract states that you can only use the truck to take things you by at Home Depot home. If there is an accident you could be in big legal trouble with your rental use (so long as there isn't one they might not care)

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Post by cameldrv »

zdragnar wrote: post #265
rjrjrjrj wrote: post #94

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The Santa Cruz is about the same size as a Santa Fe and weighs less. The Ford Maverick is a smaller vehicle but also a truck. It is a working truck for some, and a rec/handyman vehicle for others.

A Maverick is hardly a working truck. It's got the same towing capacity of an older Kia Sportage. It's got front wheel drive (or awd). It's a car with a bed, not a truck.

I don't get this attitude. Everyone criticizes auto companies for not making a small truck anymore, and then Ford comes out with the Maverick and then you say it doesn't have enough towing capacity. It can tow 4000 lbs. That covers a whole lot of use cases. It also has a payload capacity of 1500 lbs which is quite respectable for a small truck. As for FWD vs. RWD, who cares? How does that affect your ability to move things around?

Really the only thing I think you can ding it for is the small bed. It used to be that trucks this size would have a regular cab or an extended cab with the two tiny side facing seats, and they would have a longer bed. With the tailgate down you can still move sheet goods with a Maverick though.

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Post by datahack »

This is a case study in the failure of product market fit.

There is tons of room for a low cost, high quality small electric or hybrid pickup in today’s market.

Ford Maverick sales have been exceptionally strong, setting records in 2025 with 155,051 units sold in the US of A, up almost a fifth from last year.

Tesla needs to make a product that people want, and continuing to try to sell one they don’t want just won’t work. Why not pivot and build the truck people are asking for? Otherwise, this program will fail.

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Post by catigula »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #258
vablings wrote: post #116

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I would be willing to say that a small Japanese kei truck is more than the average American would ever need for hauling furnishings, appliances and lumber. If you really need something bigger renting a trailer or truck is dirt cheap

I found out a couple of years ago that you cannot rent a vehicle and use it to tow. This is a major barrier to the argument "when you need to tow just rent a vehicle that can do that" (an argument I would like to support).

https://www.enterprisetrucks.com/truckrental/en_US/towing.ht...

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Post by aeternum »

CursedSilicon wrote: post #205
mebizzle wrote: post #152

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Literally the only people who can think that this dude is anywhere remotely objective is if you are already a Tesla hater; he posts qualifications in every title and always adjusts the wording and tone to be negative. Every Electrek's take on an article is him describing how he warned everyone about the Elon/Tesla heel turn as you laid it out. It screams confirmation bias but since he isn't a journalist there's no co…

I'm bullish on EV's at large. They're far nicer to ride in. So I find his coverage informative. I've never owned a Tesla but I've ridden in hundreds and must admit (other than the original Roadster) I've been thoroughly "whelmed" by their mediocrity. However, short of going to places like Reddit's "Tesla Lounge" or "Cyber Truck Owners Forum" I have yet to see many (any?) places that cover Tesla/Elon positively. Not b…

Makes it even more impressive that Model Y is the best selling car worldwide. If you sell enough, I guess by definition you achieve mediocrity. You eventually become the average simply numerically.
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