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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by zobzu »

lm28469 wrote: post #276
infecto wrote: post #272

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“Again I don’t really care”. Yet you keep coming back saying your way is the only way.

I'm convinced it is but you can't help people who don't want to be helped. People who want to be helped get out of the problem in a matter of months. Fix your shit, it's much better than taking pills for life to fix your obesity, which is arguably the very last link of a long chain of problems. Eat clean, exercise, understand that food is fuel, understand how the fuel is used, learn discipline, learn timing, learn to…

natural selection. you can only cheat it so far.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by jollyllama »

alexfoo wrote: post #317

It's not just GLP-1 type drugs. My grocery spending has fallen significantly since I started ADHD medication. Both lisdexamfetamine and methylphenidate absolutely zeroed my appetite. When I walk around a grocery store I'm no longer tempted by anything I didn't actively go in to buy. This is a huge shift from my pre-medication days.

This comment is more insightful than it may appear initially. It looks like the 5% drop is in comparison to the pre-Ozempic spending. To what extent is the cut on spending monetary i.e. "I am spending more on this drug and will cut back my other expenses." Sure, Ozempic will kill the cravings, and that is probably the main driver, but from a 5000 foot view, this is using money to buy drugs instead of foods. In a very abstract way, it's the same as buying amphetamines to lose weight, just with a different (arguably smaller) set of side effects.

Also, I can't find the comparison in the study to spending by non-Ozempic households. Is it possible that they decreased their spending during the time frame too, for other economic reasons? All this to say is that I think the story is more complex than the headline indicates.

Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by jjk166 »

CGMthrowaway wrote: post #265
Aurornis wrote: post #178

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> In my friend circle in Germany I don't even know one single person on this stuff. Most people don’t announce when they’re taking a new medication. GLP-1 drugs are popular in Germany, too. Not quite to the level of some other countries but a quick search shows about 1 in 12 individuals in Germany. Note that the US number quoted above was for households not individuals, so the numbers of households in Germany with at…

>I was wondering how you could get such a high impact overall. But it seems one in 6 households are on GLP-1 drugs in the US. I had the same question and did some back of the envelope math. The data I have seen says the average American eats 400-700 excess daily calories, and 3600 daily calories total. That means 10-20% excess per person. If everyone started eating the right amount overnight, grocery spend would drop…

> The data I have seen says the average American eats 400-700 excess daily calories, and 3600 daily calories total. That means 10-20% excess per person. If everyone started eating the right amount overnight, grocery spend would drop 10-20%.

You're falsely assuming a 1:1 ratio between calories and cost. Unfortunately the big problem with ultra processed food is that calorie rich but nutrient deficient food is way cheaper than the less processed foods. Cutting out the cheapest items is going to reduce spending less.

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Post by bigfishrunning »

napkinartist wrote: post #262
bigfishrunning wrote: post #187

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This is patently false -- there is plenty to do besides consume junk media; the fact that our population is addicted to the dopamine associated with short-form video doesn't mean that there aren't other options. I've made a concerted effort to consume less "junk media" in the last couple of years. In that time I've gotten an Amateur radio licence, I've built a couple of keyboards and speakers, I've started golfing (a…

I don't think you understand the situation the parent is describing. Golf is a luxury. Baking one's own bread is a huge luxury. For a lot of people, finding the time to do either (let alone the financial outlay) is impossible. You want to tell single parent working two jobs in an apartment that's moldy to "try playing golf. Read more!"?

No, I want to tell that parent to spend the hour they use scrolling TikTok to do literally anything else, it'll improve their life. I understand my experience is not typical, but there are many things besides "junk media" that are not cost prohibitive.

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Post by premiumLootBox »

stewarts wrote: post #294
CGMthrowaway wrote: post #265

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>I was wondering how you could get such a high impact overall. But it seems one in 6 households are on GLP-1 drugs in the US. I had the same question and did some back of the envelope math. The data I have seen says the average American eats 400-700 excess daily calories, and 3600 daily calories total. That means 10-20% excess per person. If everyone started eating the right amount overnight, grocery spend would drop…

I'm not sure how this math checks out. 1lb of fat is roughly 3500 calories. Given 500 calories a day of excess, that would lead to 1lb of fat gain per week. 52 pound average gain per year?

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Post by brianpbeau »

lm28469 wrote: post #268
nathanyz wrote: post #261

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What if some people's hunger is louder than others? What if your expended willpower to not overeat is a lot less than what is required by others? I ask these as that is what the GLP-1's are showing. They change the hunger feeling and it might just be that you and others got lucky with a lower hunger feeling than others. There is no objective measure of food noise, but I think we all need to be open to the possibility…

They still have a brain capable of complex thoughts and should be able to prioritise long term health over short term pleasures. Again I don't really care, I managed to help people around me following this dead simple recipe, if you want to make excuses for yourself or others go ahead and suffer. Suffering from obesity is much harder on the body and soul than "suffering" from skipping a snack or counting calories

Ah yes, the ever popular "they are just lazy or weak willed" rhetoric. Obesity is a disease just like addictions are. But I'm sure another round of "just try harder" pep talks and motivation posters will solve everything. Maybe stop for a moment and realize your perspective is narrow.

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Post by [deleted] »

mullingitover wrote: post #342
lm28469 wrote: post #156

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> there is also a genetic struggle as well. Weird that it virtually did not exist pre ww2 and that it now affects 75%+ of your population

Not remotely weird: people were poorer and food was more scarce across the board pre-WWII.

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Re: Ozempic is changing the foods Americans buy

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Post by bigfishrunning »

FatherOfCurses wrote: post #288
bigfishrunning wrote: post #187

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This is patently false -- there is plenty to do besides consume junk media; the fact that our population is addicted to the dopamine associated with short-form video doesn't mean that there aren't other options. I've made a concerted effort to consume less "junk media" in the last couple of years. In that time I've gotten an Amateur radio licence, I've built a couple of keyboards and speakers, I've started golfing (a…

JFC you do understand that not everyone in America is a software engineer like you who is well compensated and has a proper work/life balance? There are tons of people in America that are just ground into the dirt day in day out with no end in sight. Have some empathy.

Sure, i'm not arguing against that. What I'm arguing against is the statement "there's nothing to do but eat and consume junk media"; That's simply not true, there is plenty to do, and a lot of it is not cost prohibitive.

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Post by jrockway »

jacobthesnakob wrote: post #244
nvarsj wrote: post #205

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Why is it insane? You sound like someone who says to depressed people “just be happy”. I’m on tirzepatide but not for obesity. It completely cures my life long IBS. These are miracle drugs imo and should be as cheap and widely available as possible.

Do you seriously think that you’re not in a minority of people taking GLP-1 drugs for IBS and not weight loss?

Why is taking it for weight loss such a bad thing? It improves quality of life, health, reduces risk when surgery is needed, etc., etc.

Why create a new account just to litigate how statistically relevant the grandparent comment's anecdote is?

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