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Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Typical brigading, same with blm, woke, right wing, etc.

Wow you do mentally group things efficiently, that much I can say.

Anything wrong with the grouping? Or you don’t agree that most of those employ extreme brigading tactics to destroy opponents?

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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That was probably The Game Awards[0], which is a big deal. I guess whoever is behind Indie Game Awards sees the name confusion as a feature rather than a bug. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Game_Awards_2025

I'm not trying to defend "The Indie Game Awards", which I also have never heard of, but The Game Awards are universally acknowledged to be a joke, and always have been. By runtime, it's 80% soulless, samey trailers for AAA games, 10% Imagine Dragons, 5% rooting for that coked-up clarinet player on the edge of the orchestra, and 5% Jeff Keighley rapid-firing off the winners of made-up award categories in under five se…

The Game Awards 2025 had more viewers than the Superbowl with a total of 171 million global livestreams vs The Indie Game Awards (7.1k Youtube views and 433 Twitch views).

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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I would consider myself pretty embedded in the gaming space, and I hadn't heard of the "Indie Game Awards" before yesterday. Last year's award show has <100k views on youtube, and the first article mentioning this (insider-gaming.com's) is written by one of the judges involved. I'll leave it up to the reader to judge how much of this is genuine and how much is jumping the twitter bandwagon to boost the award show's p…

> I would consider myself pretty embedded in the gaming space, and I hadn't heard of the "Indie Game Awards" before yesterday Very curious to hear what channels you follow and how often per week. My RSS feed was spammed by it this and previous years

How could it be spammed in previous years since this is only the 2nd year of "The Indie Game Awards". Not to mention the event only had less than 7.5k total views to the 171 million for the "The Game Awards".

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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it's even worse then that there is a whole basked of technologies which you can label as "gen AI" but which have non of the problems why people hate "gen AI" as a very dump example, some pretty decent "line smoothing" algorithm are technically gen AI but have non of the ethical issues

Is this actually a problem? Is there anybody actually arguing against line smoothing algorithms?

they ban any for of gen AI no matter the context

so as an extrema example if you artists used that line smoothing algorithm you game isn't qualified anymore

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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That should be the crux of the issue, and stated plainly. This is just another scheme where those at the top are appropriating the labor of many to enrich themselves. This will have so many negative consequences that I don't think any reactions against it are excessive. It is irrelevant whether AI has "soul" or not. It literally does not matter, and it is a bad argument that dillutes what is really going on. There is…

This is just another scheme where those at the top are appropriating the labor of many to enrich themselves. This will have so many negative consequences that I don't think any reactions against it are excessive. When's the last time someone with your opinion turned out to be right in the long run?

If you tried reading a history book you would find numerous examples.

Of course, I am presuming you can read. I lean on optimism.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Ha! You’re actually exactly right. We’ve observed this in AI gen ads (or “creatives” as ad people call them) They work really well, EXCEPT if there is a comment option next to the ad - if people see others calling the art “AI crap” the click rate drops drastically :)

If I was vegan and found out after the fact that a meal that I enjoyed contained animal products in it that doesn't mean I'm some hypocrite for consuming it at the time. Whether I enjoyed it or not at the time it still breaches some ethical standard I have, abstaining from it from then on would be the expected outcome.

The same works the other way, and actually a lot better IMO.

Let's imagine a scenario with two identical restaurants with the exact same quality of food.

One sells their dish as a fully vegan option, but doesn't tell the customers.

Hardline "oorah, meat only for me" dude walks in and eats the dish, loves it.

If he goes to the other restaurant and is told beforehand that "sir, this dish is fully vegan" - do you think they'd enjoy it as much?

Prejudices steer people's opinions, a lot. Just like people stop enjoying movies and games due to some weird online witch-hunt that might later on turn out to be either a complete willful misunderstanding of the whole premise (Ghost in the Shell) or a targeted hate campaign (Marvels and many many other movies starring a prominent feminist woman).

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Really makes it clear how ridiculous the mania about AI usage is. The game is great and there is absolutely nothing in it that would suggest to the player that AI was used for anything.

Putting essentially arbitrary limitation on which tools game developers are allowed to use is just nonsensical. Yes, the output of AI models can be really bad, but then a game obviously does not deserve an award. Especially for an indie game, with limited resources, AI can be a huge force multiplier. Gatekeeping awards based on these meaningless characteristics seems just very strange.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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Speed limits are limits, not targets. That's why they're called speed *limits*. You account for variance in the speedometer and the reading device by staying under the limit, not treating it as a target.

I hope this does not come across as antagonistic but isn’t this then another form of mental math again? "I’m actually not allowed to drive the number on the sign but I’m also not allowed to drive a speed within the margin of error so I could be falsely accused of speeding." The other way around seems more clear in a legal sense to me because we want to prove with as little doubt as possible that the person actually w…

So your speedo reads 100 km/h in a 100km/h hour zone. The intention is that you just treat that as a sign that you're at the limit and don't go faster.

Yes, you _could_ do some mental math and figure out that your speedometer is probably calibrated with some buffer room on the side of overreporting your speed, so you're probably actually doing 96km/h and you know you probably won't get dinged if you're dong 105km/h so you "know" you can probably do 110km/h per your speedometer when the sign is 100km/h.

Or you could just not. And that's the intention. The buffers are in there to give people space for mistakes, not as something to rely on to eke 10% more speed out of. And if you start to rely on that buffer and get caught on it, that's on you.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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I agree, even though I'm not in favour of gen ai. It was a terrible mistake letting placeholder assets get out in the final release, but it shouldn't actually count as shipping AI-generated content in your product.

> representatives of Sandfall Interactive agreed that no gen AI was used in the development of Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 Even if all the AI-generated content had been replaced before release, this would still be a lie.

Even if a developer had used an AI tool to ask a question about a library, it would have been a lie.

The question is stupid and I think Sandfall should be given the benefit of doubt that they interpreted the question not literally, but in a way which actually makes sense.

Re: Clair Obscur having its Indie Game Game Of The Year award stripped due to AI use

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This is the kind of rule that won’t hold water in the very near future. It’s going to be impossible to do certain kinds of things at scale without AI, and media production is a very competitive field. As long as the quality bar is held high and there are professional artists curating its use, I see no problem at all in using AI as a tool.
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