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Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Yeah maybe forcing people to get them triggered some kind of skepticism, how about that

Who forced you to get one? Did they hold you down and shove it in your arm?

No it was more devious, with the thread of economic annihilation and homelessness.

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FDA is imposing stricter vaccine protocols due to children deaths linked to Covid-19 vaccine-related myocarditis [1]. [1] https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

The political appointees pushing this new policy have not presented any evidence of these deaths beyond a vague assertion in a leaked internal email. They have not provided that evidence to career staffers either.

And that is precisely why not-yet-finalized health-related leaks should not be shared publicly by mainstream media, given that the reaction here seems shaped far more by political allegiance than by the facts themselves.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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You just listed a bunch of old-school RFK claims to dismiss him entirely. That's exactly how people used to shut down anyone questioning: - Vioxx - lab leak - opioids - PFAS ...all “crazy conspiracy theories” until proven true. I'm not saying vaccines cause autism (the evidence still doesn't). But stay skeptical, even of your own side. That's how science actually moves forward.

The point is that you were arguing the RFK Jr would not make claims unless they were supported by the evidence. The examples given show that he will in fact make such claims.

Past performance is no guarantee of future results: just because RFK Jr. has hyped weak claims before doesn't automatically make this OBPV causality review wrong.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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perfectly understandable and you’ve described a reasonable decision-making process any reasonable person should be able to recognize that the alternative hypothesis was not an equally accepted decision many people chose severe penalties rather than participate in a sudden worldwide field trial of mRNA vaccination by indemnified pharmaceutical companies, and in some parts of the world were not even given that choice.

We were also subjected to a sudden worldwide field trial of a novel coronavirus, so it makes sense that it requires a similar response to combat it. I think in any other decade this would've been celebrated as a major scientific achievement. If the moon landing happened today people would just be cynical about it just being an arms race with the Soviet Union to develop better ICBMs. This is of course true, but it doe…

this doesn’t address my point

again, it is perfectly valid to use this line of reasoning

but we aren’t acknowledging that the alternative hypothesis was not at all tolerated and was heavily penalized for a great many people

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i was referring to this https://youtu.be/P3nXJB5PoBM?t=39

I understand that. I'm wondering why you'd find such a shitty source even the slightest bit compelling.

I didnt find it compelling at all - I was being sarcastic. Anyone who thinks Brett Weinstein is reputable at this point is an idiot.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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What's a straw man? Following the vaccines, vaccinated people were still getting COVID and indeed dying of COVID. Early on that was disproportionately the elderly as they were who the vaccines were rolled out to first, but nonetheless it was clear that the shots were much more akin to flu shots than e.g. smallpox or polio type vaccines. This is what led to those silly things like the CDC deciding to redefine vaccine…

> the CDC deciding to redefine vaccine A ridiculous conspiratorial talking point. > rates of significant myocarditis after vaccination Absolute straw man, deceptive and one-sided. > Young people’s risk of developing myocarditis is higher and longer lasting after covid-19 infection than after vaccination against it, the largest study of its kind suggests. https://www.bmj.com/content/391/bmj.r2330

I again don't know what you mean. Are you stating that you don't believe that the CDC chose to redefine vaccination to move away from immunity and towards "protection"? Or do you think it had nothing to do with the low efficacy of the vaccines in preventing infection?

The paper you linked to studied a much wider age group and assessed the odds of heart issues from vaccination as being about 1/3rd as high as those from infection. Their estimated rates of vaccine induced heart issues are more than an order of magnitude lower than those for the study I referenced earlier which instead was an overview of studies with more of a focus of vaccination's impact on vulnerable groups.

I'd also add that, as is typical, the study you linked to failed to assess the odds of heart issues were when one was both vaccinated and then later infected, as that is a rather more realistic scenario.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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mRNA can't cause wolbachia. Wolbachia is a bacterium that actually lives inside cells and gets transmitted through eggs to offspring. it's a persistent organism that reproduces. There's not a way for mRNA to grow bacteria. mRNA is just a molecule that breaks down, and the mRNA in these vaccines is extremely fragile and temporary. Once injected it enters whatever cells are nearby (muscle cells)and ribosomes read it to…

I’m not suggesting comirnanty is wolbachia. If there is reproductive harm, or reproductive harm passed on to children, then we will not know for a long time. I believe that you’re well read on the CDC’s messaging on this topic. I’d like to bring to your attention that glyphosate was scientifically shown to pose no harm, but that key paper was retracted 25 years later. Pfizer is making over $10B/yr on comirnanty and a…

For any given reality, someone will benefit.

I too despise the existence of a profit motive in public health, the sane (not perfect) alternative is to nationalize medicine, not to ban it because the profit motive makes it suspect.

I'd like to bring to your attention that many people on the internet have made claims which were later retracted, thus your comment is unreliable.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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I’m not suggesting comirnanty is wolbachia. If there is reproductive harm, or reproductive harm passed on to children, then we will not know for a long time. I believe that you’re well read on the CDC’s messaging on this topic. I’d like to bring to your attention that glyphosate was scientifically shown to pose no harm, but that key paper was retracted 25 years later. Pfizer is making over $10B/yr on comirnanty and a…

Yes, but imagine how much money hospitals can make if they can convince idiots to skip affordable preventable medicine and instead pay tens of thousands for hospital stays. The money arguments are a double edged sword.

Hospitals were paid much more for the Covid patients that died than those who lived. There’s some very strong circumstantial evidence about this driving treatment protocols.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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Yes, but imagine how much money hospitals can make if they can convince idiots to skip affordable preventable medicine and instead pay tens of thousands for hospital stays. The money arguments are a double edged sword.

Hospitals were paid much more for the Covid patients that died than those who lived. There’s some very strong circumstantial evidence about this driving treatment protocols.

Right, okay, according to who? Because this doesn't make any sense with how insurance works.

Re: Covid-19 mRNA Vaccination and 4-Year All-Cause Mortality

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My memory is failing me right now. When did they start vaccinating en masse?

I got it December 2020

Maybe you were a special group? I know some government workers who interacted with the public regularly got it early. Most people I know started getting it around March or April 2021.
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