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How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

PeterStuer wrote: post #188
dxdm wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

GP is talking about the invasion of Ukraine, taking place just beyond the EU eastern border, and very much shaking up the European security situation, and the EU and its member states are visibly having to "deal with it", diplomatically, economically and in terms of their practical defense postures. That's what they meant with "at the border", and not a literal invasion of the EU. (Edited for a less confrontational b…

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Imagine if Europe hadn't compromised itself with energy dependency on a dictator and was able to stand up against the 2014 invasion. The situation was created at home.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by timeon »

blibble wrote: post #321
wat10000 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the threat? "Do this or we'll stop helping you" is not a violation of sovereignty, distasteful though it may be in this case.

Article 3 of the Budapest memorandum[1]: > 3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the Republic of Belarus of the rights inherent in its sovereignty a…

Minerals deal that US pushed for was already against this.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by bambax »

petcat wrote: post #24
nmridul wrote: post #6

> ..... he calls on the EU to activate an existing blocking regulation (Regulation (EC) No 2271/96) for the International Criminal Court, which prevents third countries like the USA from enforcing sanctions in the EU. EU companies would then no longer be allowed to comply with US sanctions if they violate EU interests. Companies that violate this would then be liable for damages. That is from that article..

EU is in a very tough spot right now. They're getting squeezed on all sides economically by USA and China while simultaneously facing a Russian invasion on their eastern borders. The relationship with the American administration has deteriorated badly and any action seen as "retaliation", such as this policy blockade, would almost definitely result in USA withdrawing even more support for Ukraine in the war. I think,…

It's a bad situation allright, but sucking up to Trump even more isn't going to make things better. Europe needs to grow a pair, help Ukraine way more, and be prepared to fight Russia sooner rather than later.

In France recently the army chief-of-staff declared that we must be prepared to "lose its children" in a war, if it wants to avoid it. Of course we should. The resulting outcry may be a sign we've already lost.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by _djo_ »

saalweachter wrote: post #340
_djo_ wrote: post #257

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There was no such promise. Everyone who was actually in the room during those talks, including Premier Gorbachev, has denied it. Nor was Ukraine anywhere close to joining NATO. It’s application had effectively been frozen in 2008, and it was not even being offered a MAP which is about step 1 on a 20 step ladder of actions to take before joining. It’s a red herring being used to justify Russia’s territorial and imperi…

Even if Ukraine were about to join NATO, why would joining a mutual defense pact be threatening, unless, you know, you were planning to invade them?

Excellent point. Ukraine, like any sovereign country, can join whatever alliances it wants too.

There is no right in international law that allows its neighbours to invade if it picks one they don’t like.

Add to that that it’s a mutual defence pact and the argument becomes more absurd.

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Post by tracker1 »

op00to wrote: post #273
TrainedMonkey wrote: post #260

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I noticed that people love pointing how far AI field has advanced in a few years and extrapolate next few years. While at the same time being dismissive of Chinese semiconductor manufacturing process. In similar vein I also remember claims that TSMC Fab in Arizona can never work, and yet it does. So I don't know man, I wouldn't underestimate what a billion of enterprising people can do. Especially when paired with th…

Underestimating China seems like a really, really, really stupid thing to do.

I don't think the US is underestimating China... I do think that the US is preemptively shoring up a domestic posture against long term changes. It would be a pretty bad strategy to continue to outsource everything and continue to see a massive trade imbalance with the outside world for a prolonged period of time.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by lukan »

kakacik wrote: post #347
lukan wrote: post #245

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Since europeans are quite wealthy, many will be happy to accept them (as long as they still have money and qualifications). But leaving all moral questions aside, where to go? South america might turn into a war zone as well. Africa partly is already. Asia similar. New Zealand sounds good, but even Peter Thiel found out, that money will get you only so far in buying a safe haven. So personally I would opt for fixing…

Luckily for whole Europe russia is very incompetent at doing anything serious, and complex projects like war are as serious as it gets. They routinely fail at logistics even now, corruption and nepotism is how puttin' built his whole empire, you don't suddenly get competent people at key positions of power just because it would make sense. So whatever happens (apart from nuclear holocaust everywhere around the world)…

"I know it sounds gloomy, but only if you have your head too close to the screens daily. Worse had come and gone than incompetent russians."

Depends where you live I suppose. The baltic states are rightfully worried and take it a bit more serious.

And yes, russia on its own is not that dangerous to whole Europe. But russia in combination with north korean soldiers and supported by china .. and some european states that switch sides (Hungary, Serbia, Bosnia, ..), that would be dangerous. Lot's of things can happen. Also the EU can transform into an evil empire if we don't watch out. So no, I am not too worried about immediate war, but the traction right now is bad.

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Post by lostlogin »

blibble wrote: post #321
wat10000 wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's the threat? "Do this or we'll stop helping you" is not a violation of sovereignty, distasteful though it may be in this case.

Article 3 of the Budapest memorandum[1]: > 3. The United States of America, the Russian Federation, and the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, reaffirm their commitment to Ukraine, in accordance with the principles of the CSCE Final Act, to refrain from economic coercion designed to subordinate to their own interest the exercise by the Republic of Belarus of the rights inherent in its sovereignty a…

That’s a hell of reply, and shame on the US.

I don’t know this. Thank you.

Re: How a French judge was digitally cut off by the USA

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Post by general1465 »

paulddraper wrote: post #318
general1465 wrote: post #238

The more USA is going to use this leaver, the likely they will make this leaver useless in the future. Like with China, when they overused chips leaver which stunted China for a while, but eventually gave them a way to establish their own chip industry. Now that leaver is becoming effectively useless. It will ends up same with EU.

s/leaver/lever/g (from context)

I apologize, English is not my first language, so sometimes I am freestyling it.

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Post by tracker1 »

immibis wrote: post #339
KK7NIL wrote: post #246

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The best China has is an internationally uncompetitive "7nm" fab and that's the best they'll have until they can manufacture EUV machines domestically. So the EUV blockade has absolutely been effective and the fact that the PRC is paying so many shills to convince westerners otherwise just shows how behind they are.

Okay? There's a lot of chips you can make that aren't the cutting edge. You don't need a 4090 to do AI, as evidenced by all the AI we did before the 4090. You definitely don't need a (random Intel chip) 14900HX to do general-purpose computing, as evidenced by all the general-purpose computing we did before the 14900HX.

For that matter, the 14900hx was already based on a refined 7nm production process, which China already has started using, though maybe not as effectively yet. As you mention, prior to the 4090's 3090 was on an 8nm node, already behind current China capabilities.

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Post by tracker1 »

KK7NIL wrote: post #311
beej71 wrote: post #284

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> that's the best they'll have until they can manufacture EUV machines domestically. And how far out is that?

If you ask PRC shills, it's just around the corner because this one Chinese lab demonstrated a very small part of the system. And a surprising number of westerners fall for that crap. My guess is that it's at least 10 years away, but that could obviously change depending on what resources they're willing to commit. But even at that point they'll be 2 decades behind ASML's EUV tech so it probably won't be competitive.

I think you may underestimate the ability of China to abuse industrial espionage at scale.
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