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Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by cyanydeez »

anon7000 wrote: post #40
hifix wrote: post #5

> The fact that people are unimpressed that we can have a fluent conversation with a super smart AI that can generate any image/video is mindblowing to me. It's not that people are unimpressed with AI - they're just tired of constantly being bombarded with it, and it sneaking its way into where it's not wanted. "Generate any image you want!" "Analyse this thing with AI!" gets pretty tiring. If I want AI I'll actively…

It’s partly that, but it’s also partly that the quality SUCKS. I’m frustrated with AI blogspam because it doesn’t in any way help me figure out whatever I’m researching. It’s such low quality. What I want and need is higher quality primary sources — in depth research, investigation, presented in an engaging way. Or with movies and shows, I want something genuine. With a genuine story that feels real, characters that…

AI has a quality problem because of GIGO, and thats accelerating.

It simple vacuums up everything and in the past decade, everything was more and more shit.

Information entropy crossed with physical entropy. These MBAs will never invest in weeding out the garbage, and the rest of us will never get paid enough to do it ourselves.

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by red-iron-pine »

demarq wrote: post #336
wkat4242 wrote: post #330

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A computer software generally unreliable and unable to accomplish basic tasks Yeah specifically to your quote: it's very easy to create some images and video. It's very hard to create exactly what you need if you have specific needs. It's almost as if content creation is hard! Well that's because it is. You need to know the client, understand their needs, make the content in line with their other visual language et…

> Where AI comes in is as a helper This is where things stop translating well to the real world. Imagine a pocket calculator: 10 + 33 = 44 Clearly incorrect, then someone tells you “this one is different, it “helps” you, like 44 is in the ballpark. The real work is now the actual answer”

"its only hitting 43 but they're investing heavily in the product and soon it will be able to hit 44!

give us 100 billion dollars"

Re: Microsoft AI CEO pushes back against critics after recent Windows AI backlash

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Post by conartist6 »

archerx wrote: post #346
conartist6 wrote: post #341

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It's not my problem that it's still challenging to find and work with people. I'm saying that it's where all most valuable the rewards are to be had. Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy ...

>Unless I was mistaken and the goal is to do what is easy I don't know about you but my goal is not to work hard. My goal is maximize results while minimizing effort. You know, work smarter not harder.

Yeeaaaah I'm exactly the same, but the LLM strat is actually "work harder not smarter" as far as I can tell. It substitutes quantity of work for quality, then lets you bulk-purchase quantities of work for cheap.

If you want to minmax the work, the only way is to actually do the work.

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Post by Yizahi »

HeavyStorm wrote: post #324
AndrewDucker wrote: post #322

I am impressed by AI. I just don't want to use it. "Look at how realistic this extruded text looks from a distance!" is definitely an achievement. It just doesn't add to my life in any useful way.

Have you tried using it as a knowledge retrieval mechanism, I. E., in lieu of Google? Because if not, you really should.

It's mostly useless for anything with numbers or other hard facts. Sure, 80% of the numbers would be correct, but we can never know which 80% and would need to manually verify everything. Not that Google is better in complex tasks). LLMs are mostly useful for producing some vague non-factual business speak, or some abstract imprecise media. This is natural result of the architecture of these programs.

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Post by satvikpendem »

rincebrain wrote: post #275
satvikpendem wrote: post #273

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Yes, however that remains the same for Windows, in that they know (or at least, they surmise) that they can make more money with AI features than without, a hypothesis that remains yet to be tested, but it doesn't mean they don't know what they're doing.

I do still strongly suspect Microsoft's endgame is to get people off Windows in the consumer space, and that most of what's going on right now with 11 is froth as they add features they think will make them money in the near term even as it drives people off or be useful in the non-consumer space, not because they sincerely think this is something people will find a net gain in the consumer space. So yes, I agree it'…

Why would they want people off Windows?

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Post by satvikpendem »

hereme888 wrote: post #347
satvikpendem wrote: post #187

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And yet Diablo Immortal made about a billion dollars, orders of magnitude more than the other Diablo games combined. Sound like they knew exactly what their customers wanted. https://mobilegamer.biz/three-years-after-a-fiery-launch-dia...

Google made billions by scamming the world with "free email" and a search engine that would "never display ads" or "censor content". It was "exactly what customers wanted". Microsoft Windows is just as successful....financially speaking. Now, if I could just get teenagers to pay more money for a magic digital rune, besides extracting all that juicy marketing data from their phone app... Because more money = better co…

A corporation exists to make money, so by its own definition, one that makes more money is more successful, just as you said.

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Ekaros wrote: post #335
AndrewDucker wrote: post #322

I am impressed by AI. I just don't want to use it. "Look at how realistic this extruded text looks from a distance!" is definitely an achievement. It just doesn't add to my life in any useful way.

Real question for me is how often do I want to generate a image, video or have a conversation with computer. For me really quite rarely. And no replacing your customer support with chat bot does not make it better. Just make a damm website with everything I need. Lot less errors, lot simpler for me to do what I want.

yeah the generated images are fun a few times, and they've come up in some tabletop RPG gaming with friends as quick fillers for NPCs or cave locations, etc.

but it's a niche thing. in exchange for one-offs we basically have the internet turn into bots and the annihilation of art as man-made expression -- and by burning the equivalent of a small country's daily power consumption.

at this point its tech bros praying for AGI, which will in all likelihood end up with a Torment Nexus

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