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Time to start de-Appling

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Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by mavhc »

sayamqazi wrote: post #277
aucisson_masque wrote: post #215

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Syncthing and e2e is great but the issue is that the law force you to give away your phone and your password if asked. Meaning, they have the encrypted data on your phone and the password to unlock it.. same for computer ofc. If you're in England and have to keep things secured (including from government eyes), i have no idea how you can do. They soon will be allowed to put a camera in your small room and watch you t…

Memorize a long passphrase for encryption, dont keep it anywhere and when forced to give it up, say "I forgot it". This is partly a joke but only partly.

Memorize two passwords and have a hidden volume with the real data in

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by neop1x »

lylo wrote: post #314

De-Appleing is very difficult if you have a family using iCloud Photos, music, drive etc. Looking at the list, perhaps moving documents off iCloud Drive (to where? Dropbox? That isn’t E2E is it?) and Notes is enough. Do I really care if my photos are E2E encrypted? Most of my photos are in Lightroom cloud so those are not anyway. I don’t use reminders or Freeform or voice memos, and I couldn’t care less about safari…

Self-host. NextCloud & Ente are great alternatives.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by Aachen »

mistercheph wrote: post #334
op00to wrote: post #268

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How does FOSS prevent someone from pulling your teeth out with a wrench to get your passphrase?

Although effective, this particular technique does not scale very well. Even if the UK had 100,000 kidnapping wrench torturers, it would take ~2 years for them to get through to pulling everyone in the UK’s teeth.

Fortunately for those who like laws having an effect, that's not factoring in the deterrence aspect of the first (few) toothpull event(s)

It's the law that's the issue. Avoiding enforcement only works until people actually care to start enforcing. There's also enough examples in history of people taking matters into their own hands if they disagree with something, doubly so if there's a law against it or something else makes them feel righteous. If you do bad in the eyes of the public (or its prosecutor), good luck swimming against the tide

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Post by foldr »

lintfordpickle wrote: post #326
1over137 wrote: post #296

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Why “bizarrely”? The US has enormous influence on many countries, Trump’s actions are newsworthy in many places.

If the UK news is made up of 90% US politics, and 10% UK politics, then I would say that is definitely bizarre.

Here is the BBC news website:

https://bbc.co.uk/news

It is not 90% American politics.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by Aachen »

j45 wrote: post #108
amelius wrote: post #95

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It's an Apple problem, because with libre tools you can run your own software to circumvent this law.

The majority of apple and android users can't run their own libre software, until libre software is as easy and seamless to use as the comparables.

My (grand)parents like their FOSS launcher, gallery, and chat client just fine. I've had zero questions about how Signal works, but a bunch about how to deal with the OS' pre-installed garbage spawning notifications about this or that update. They can't tell the difference between an advertisement pushed by some commercial app they want and a smartwatch firmware update notification

From my POV, it's the commercial software that has fundamental usability issues due to misaligned incentives (not completely different either, but not as aligned as FOSS). They just have a better lobby and marketing budget. Chrome didn't become this ubiquitous on mobile by having to be downloaded from f-droid, but by making a deal that device manufacturers cannot refuse

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by qn9n »

swiftcoder wrote: post #350
mistercheph wrote: post #331

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yeah guys, we don’t win by using free and open technologies, we win if we all buy {NAMECORP} devices, that’s true victory right there, backed by a real warranty, that’s what grandma wants

If you have a free and open technology that is sufficiently user-friendly that grandma isn't going to lose all her photos, I'm all ears

This is the major issue, most free and open technology is not marketed as well; isn't anywhere near as user friendly and often times takes a lot more time and effort to setup. Most people don't care enough for that.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by alt227 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #138
InTheArena wrote: post #134

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The first two are reasonable positions. The third, on the merits of the argument in the article, is absolutely bonkers. It's the UK government that is unleashing this stupidity on the world. There is no European alternative that is any safer, and it's the UK's own hands that are at fault in the first place. Not that there aren't other reasons to be skeptical of American companies' right, but it's just so easy to fall…

> but it's just so easy to fall into nationalistic prattle instead of fixing the real problem. Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem. De-Americanising your tech stack isn't going to fix the political issues domestically. Hence Apple pulling ADP out, they made the choice of not complying with the UK and not offering the service instead of compromising the service for everyone else in the world. UK citizens need…

> Right. This, right now, is 100% a UK problem.

Do you not think every other govenrment in the world is currently eyeing this up and figuring out how to do the same thing?

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by realusername »

swiftcoder wrote: post #350
mistercheph wrote: post #331

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yeah guys, we don’t win by using free and open technologies, we win if we all buy {NAMECORP} devices, that’s true victory right there, backed by a real warranty, that’s what grandma wants

If you have a free and open technology that is sufficiently user-friendly that grandma isn't going to lose all her photos, I'm all ears

Modern devices are so locked down that you couldn't build such software even if you wanted to.

Those corporations are part of the problem, not the solution.

Re: Time to start de-Appling

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Post by re-thc »

zmmmmm wrote: post #227

I know this is a tangent but honestly, this is why the Google decision to de-openify Android is insane even from Google's point of view. Who would want to be an iron clad gate keeper when the world is descending into authoritarianism? You just paint a giant target on your back for the authoritarians to come after. If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't e…

> If Apple had supported open iCloud alternatives for backup and other services from day one, it woudn't even be a discussion now

Why does Apple need to do extra work and increase support? The average user really doesn't care and choices just make it more complicated.

> The UK probably wouldn't have thought of the idea of

The UK has lost the plot long ago. It's been drama after drama.

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