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Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by mananaysiempre »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #329
cG_ wrote: post #328

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I might be misunderstanding what you mean, but maybe the .stignore[1] file is what you're looking for? Apologies if it isn't :-) [1] https://docs.syncthing.net/users/ignoring.html

Oh no worries, yeah that works like gitignore, I’m talking more like how Nextcloud and Dropbox let you like, have a list of folders and checkboxes where you can be like “this machine doesn’t need my family photo collection synced to it” kinda thing. Which to my knowledge syncthing doesn’t have. Don't apologize tho! I appreciate the help!

“This machine doesn’t need my family photo collection synced to it” is .stignore. It’s a bit confusing because .stignore is more like .git/info/excludes than .gitignore in that it’s not synced between machines[1]. (If you wanted a synced ignores file then you need to #include that file from each machine’s .stignore manually.) And what’s ignored on one machine doesn’t then need to be ignored on the others, which will still sync it between themselves in that case. So no pretty checkboxes, but echo /Photos >>.stignore on the machine in question and you should be good (including to delete the Photos subdirectory on that machine).

[1] https://docs.syncthing.net/users/ignoring.html

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by ToucanLoucan »

mananaysiempre wrote: post #351
ToucanLoucan wrote: post #329

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh no worries, yeah that works like gitignore, I’m talking more like how Nextcloud and Dropbox let you like, have a list of folders and checkboxes where you can be like “this machine doesn’t need my family photo collection synced to it” kinda thing. Which to my knowledge syncthing doesn’t have. Don't apologize tho! I appreciate the help!

“This machine doesn’t need my family photo collection synced to it” is .stignore. It’s a bit confusing because .stignore is more like .git/info/excludes than .gitignore in that it’s not synced between machines[1]. (If you wanted a synced ignores file then you need to #include that file from each machine’s .stignore manually.) And what’s ignored on one machine doesn’t then need to be ignored on the others, which will…

Oh! Holy shit, that's SO useful. Thank you for taking the time to explain!

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by caycep »

palata wrote: post #27

I would love to like Nextcloud, it's pretty great that it does exist. Just that makes it better than... well everything else I haven't found. What frustrates me is that it looks like it works, but once in a while it breaks in a way that is pretty much irreparable (or at least not in a practical way). I want to run an iOS/Android app that backs up images on my server. I tried the iOS app and when it works, it's cool.…

All I know about Nextcloud is that HN is full of people complaining about Nextcloud

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

glenstein wrote: post #99
branon wrote: post #11

I have been considering https://bewcloud.com/ + Immich as an alternative Nextcloud's client support is very good though and it has some great apps, I use PhoneTrack on road trips a lot

Fantastic recommendation, it's like exactly what the doctor ordered given the premise of this thread. Does Bewcloud play nice with DAV or other open protocols or (dare I hope) nextcloud apps? I wouldn't mind using nextcloud apps paired with a better web front end.

bewCloud creator here, it does play nice with WebDAV, CalDAV, and CardDav. That's what's used for file/photo sync, calendars, and contacts.

It does not support Nextcloud apps (and I don't ever plan to). If you're looking for extensibility, it's not a great option for you (I've been feeling some "pressure" to add a plugin system, but I'm very concerned it'll compromise bewCloud's main value drivers — it's speed, low resource use, simplicity, and ease of use).

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by BrunoBernardino »

rpgbr wrote: post #150

I wonder how does bewCloud[1] stack up against NextCloud, since it's meant to be a “modern and simpler alternative” to it. Has anyone tested it? [1] https://bewcloud.com/

bewCloud creator here.

Hundreds of people are using it as a replacement. If you don't use/need more than the core Nextcloud apps (calendar, contacts, file/photo storage and sync, notes), it's a great replacement for it. If you want/need/use Nextcloud's extensibility (the multitude of apps), it's not really an option right now (maybe in the future I'll add some sort of external app system, but it's not in my near-term plan).

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by troyvit »

cloudfudge wrote: post #343
troyvit wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's where I got it from: https://doc.owncloud.com/ocis/next/depl-examples/ubuntu-comp... And I wish it was "containerized" but really it's "dockerized" as this thread demonstrates: https://central.owncloud.org/t/owncloud-docker-image-with-ro... So yeah like I said in my original comment, for personal use it's just not right for me (because I choose not to use docker in my personal projects), but I hope it's right…

I think what you're looking at is: "Here's an example of installing this on ubuntu 24.04. These instructions will also work on 22.04." This is in no way saying they can only get it to work on ubuntu; they just haven't written a step-by-step example like this for other distributions. And yeah, trying to use podman with something that's based on docker compose is ... probably gonna give you some headaches, I'd guess. I…

I agree -- they chose their platform (docker), and for my personal work that just isn't my platform, and it's probably unfair for me to call them "opinionated" about that (because like it or not Docker is the norm) or about Ubuntu, especially in light of where I was getting my information from.

I've seen some flame in this community, but damn this thread has just been a bunch of polite people helping correct the record.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by meonkeys »

branon wrote: post #11

I have been considering https://bewcloud.com/ + Immich as an alternative Nextcloud's client support is very good though and it has some great apps, I use PhoneTrack on road trips a lot

PhoneTrack +1, if you don't mind some tinkering. It looks like a power tool someone made with great care.

I wish there was a better client-side view/share app. I've been meaning to try Dawarich, I've heard it does this better.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by meonkeys »

realaaa wrote: post #290

great post thank you ! does anyone have some tips & tricks on how to optimise Nextcloud installation for better performance, perhaps some server-side tweaks can improve things a bit also? I have one running in a small VM (4 GB ram) and it's OK for what it is, but yeah that initial loading delay is very noticeable ..

https://docs.nextcloud.com/server/stable/admin_manual/instal... is a great place to start.

So much depends on your use case. Can you say more about that? And what have you already tried? I'm skeptical their server-side tuning suggestions will improve your "initial loading delay" depending on what that means exactly. If you mean you see a slow cold cache page load of the Files app web UI (or any Nextcloud app, really) then I'd say that's common with many complex JS-heavy web apps, including Nextcloud.

FWIW, my Nextcloud web UI seems as fast as I'd expect. Roughly 5sec to load the Files app completely in Firefox (logged-in & warm cache) and this is roughly the same time Google Drive takes to do the same thing! Navigating folders actually feels faster in Nextcloud Files.

I'm not using the web UI except when I have to. I do as much as possible locally (e.g. editing docs, contacts/calendars/tasks). I mostly use Nextcloud for mobile and desktop file/calendar/contacts/photo/notes/tasks sync & share and it seems to do quite well at this. Server-side I did spend a lot of time tuning at first, but it has been stable for years once I got it to a good place.

Re: Why Nextcloud feels slow to use

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Post by glenstein »

BrunoBernardino wrote: post #354
glenstein wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fantastic recommendation, it's like exactly what the doctor ordered given the premise of this thread. Does Bewcloud play nice with DAV or other open protocols or (dare I hope) nextcloud apps? I wouldn't mind using nextcloud apps paired with a better web front end.

bewCloud creator here, it does play nice with WebDAV, CalDAV, and CardDav. That's what's used for file/photo sync, calendars, and contacts. It does not support Nextcloud apps (and I don't ever plan to). If you're looking for extensibility, it's not a great option for you (I've been feeling some "pressure" to add a plugin system, but I'm very concerned it'll compromise bewCloud's main value drivers — it's speed, low r…

Thanks for making it. Please do what's best for you and don't regard my comment as a feature request. I was kinda-sorta wondering out loud whether existing Nextcloud apps on android could be pointed to BewCloud (as opposed to Nextcloud plugins).

But now I think the right train of thought is there should be an webdav-based notes app that just looks in a notes folder for a combination of folders and text files, which it displays in a Nextcloud Notes-app kind of way. But that could be done and benefit people without it having to be your job to do it.

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