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Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by prmoustache »

thiht wrote: post #242
prmoustache wrote: post #188

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>Loosing a day of productivity fixing drivers and patching kernels gets old. You are talking like it was 1997. The typical linux users don't have to do that. Only those who buy unsupported devices on purpose for the challenge to make them work.

That’s just not true. Every coworker I know who use Linux[1] have occasional issues with webcams, mics, Slack notifications, whatever. It’s all fixable and this kind of inconvenience can be worth it when balanced with the perceived advantages, but saying driver issues are a thing of the past is just a lie. [1]: I’ve seen these issues on Dell (XPS 13), Thinkpads, and HP laptops

That's funny because you sent me comment a few hours after I struggled at work with a webcam constantly freezing on windows/teams.

Webcam that has always worked flawlessly on Fedora on my other laptops.

Also Teams was much more reliable for the last 5-6 years or so I used it with ungoogled chromium on Linux than it did for the last 6 months using the official app on windows. I have had to kill it an awful number of times after struggling with unrecognized audio device, freezing video, or eveb freezing everything except sound.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by baby »

zbentley wrote: post #232
baby wrote: post #209

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Why is docker so bad on mac and why is apple not fixing that?

There is now work from Apple in that direction: https://github.com/apple/container No idea what the future of that project, or its potential integration with other container management systems might be, but it is certainly interesting at first glance.

According to chatgpt:

Why Not Use Apple Containers Instead?

Because Apple containers:

Aren’t meant for system-level isolation — they’re for app sandboxing.

Don’t provide process namespaces, cgroups, or Linux syscalls, which are essential to containerization.

Wouldn’t be compatible with the entire Linux-based Docker ecosystem (images, tooling, etc.).

So Docker sticks with Linux containers, running them in a VM layer on macOS.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by NaomiLehman »

ben-schaaf wrote: post #292
NaomiLehman wrote: post #167

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My beef with the Framework laptops is that their memory bandwidth is 5 to 8 times slower (depending on the generation, CPU, and RAM) than that of a $1,500 refurbished MacBook Pro M1 Max 64GB.

A M1 Max has 400GB/s of memory bandwidth but the CPU is only capable of using half of that (see https://tlkh.hashnode.dev/benchmarking-the-apple-m1-max#memo... ). So a framework 13 with ddr 5 5600 with 86GB/s of memory bandwidth has a bit less than half, nowhere near ⅕th. If we compare like-to-like the rtx 5070 in a framework 16 has 384GB/s on its own, add the 86 and the combined memory bandwidth is higher than a M1…

I was being generous. These are just the pure bandwidth speeds. For my workflow when the CPU has to go back and forth with the RAM hudreds of times with unique queries, SoCs are hundreds times faster not 5 times.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by NaomiLehman »

dangus wrote: post #190
NaomiLehman wrote: post #167

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My beef with the Framework laptops is that their memory bandwidth is 5 to 8 times slower (depending on the generation, CPU, and RAM) than that of a $1,500 refurbished MacBook Pro M1 Max 64GB.

But then you have a 5 year old laptop that’s going to lose official Apple software support in 5 years and become a paperweight unless you install your choice of ONE Linux distro. If you don’t specifically have a memory bandwidth-constrained workflow this doesn’t matter at all and having upgradable memory is still better for most people. If Framework starts using CAMM modules or releases a Ryzen AI board with soldered…

But it's so slow. Why not just buy a new MacBook Pro every 2 years with more RAM and a faster CPU? The machine makes us money. I mean, I don't know what you guys are doing.

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Post by mort96 »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #346
mort96 wrote: post #341

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That would fix the partscan thing I'm guessing, but it introduces its own issues, and still doesn't give me the abilities that Linux on bare metal does.

What issues would it introduce that you're thinking of? (Perhaps i can test it and let you know.)

I've had tonnes of issues passing through USB devices to UTM. There are SBCs I'm working with which appear as one kind of USB device, then a flashing tool sends a command which makes the SBC disappear and re-appear as another kind of USB device, which the flashing tool then writes an image to. I have gotten it to work in UTM a few times, but it's very janky every time.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by koiueo »

ac29 wrote: post #274
koiueo wrote: post #116

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I tried, and all I found was some hearsay. Ethical concerns were raised by many publications without any specifics. Some mention the issue is building on top of hyprland, which (oh god, no) has some ethical issues. I couldn't find anything specific. Would appreciate a link to any based explanation

DHH made a blog post in which he implied (but did not state) that the UK isnt white enough anymore. Its gross and racist, but as far as I know this is all there is to the current controversy around him. If you want to read the post, its here: https://web.archive.org/web/20250925050154/https://world.hey...

Thanks for sharing.

IMO, the implication is quite weak. The only place I found where the author mentions ethnicity, is when he refers to Pakistani rape gangs, and I assume, the choice if words is influenced by the article he links (can't verify, as the link to the article is broken).

Otherwise, this seems to me like an antiimmigration position, but I couldn't spot any racial or ethnical prejudice.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by ActorNightly »

Difwif wrote: post #182
ActorNightly wrote: post #173

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>I'm not really sure what to do. Get any of the modern laptops with good battery life, install linux + Elementary OS without any hacks or workarounds (or better yet, i3wm which is the best window manager for laptops), and never look back. Or do what I do, which is buy $200 dells/thinkpads of ebay, and for anything requiring CPU, just ssh into your home server. Personally I went a step further and use a lapdock with a…

I used to be in this camp until I tried and bought an M1 Macbook as my daily driver. I thought I was going to be Thinkpad/XPS w/ Linux until I die. I don't love MacOS but POSIX is mostly good enough for me and the hardware is so good that I'm willing to look past the shortfalls. Seriously I would love to switch back to a full-time Linux distro but I'm more interested in getting work done and having a stable & perform…

Im really not sure why you have to lie to make your point. Just to be clear, you never tried a modern laptop with linux. Because you certianly don't have to patch kernels or deal with drivers anymore. The only time you have to deal with drivers is if you want to game on linux, and even then most of that is covered by modern distros.

Re: Asahi Linux Still Working on Apple M3 Support, M1n1 Bootloader Going Rust

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Post by jjtheblunt »

mort96 wrote: post #355
jjtheblunt wrote: post #346

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What issues would it introduce that you're thinking of? (Perhaps i can test it and let you know.)

I've had tonnes of issues passing through USB devices to UTM. There are SBCs I'm working with which appear as one kind of USB device, then a flashing tool sends a command which makes the SBC disappear and re-appear as another kind of USB device, which the flashing tool then writes an image to. I have gotten it to work in UTM a few times, but it's very janky every time.

having written a usb driver myself while at apple, i wonder if it's the devices, but of course could be the utm wrapper. good to know though...i was wondering.
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