Any recommendations for a simple S3 implementation for a local docker-compose development setup for mocking S3? Ideally with a nice UI to check/manipulate files.
MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
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Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#352Once again people will find out that no software should be free.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#353They abandoned documentation (edit: for the open source codebase) a couple of weeks ago - that seems more significant. From their Slack on Oct 10: "The documentation sites at docs.min.io/community have been pulled of this morning and will redirect to the equivalent AIStor documentation where possible ". [emphasis mine] The minio/docs repository hasn't been updated in 2 weeks now, and the implication is that isn't goi…
That does sound much worse than hiding the pre-built images from users. I hope that documentation is archived. There's probably some benefit in documenting those installation tips elsewhere besides Github comments.
Yeah, running binaries of varying qualities taken from all sorts of places is a bad idea anyways. Distro packages are generally more consistent or even running "go build" yourself is probably better in this case.
But pulling existing documentation is a whole different matter. One can argue that they don't have an obligation to maintain the docs, though it would effectively make continued use of newer versions untenable. But pulling existing ones is an unnecessary rug pull when it doesn't cost anything to keep it online. It's a big middle finger to open source.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#354I haven't used minio in years, and when I did I only fiddled around with it, but my recollection of it is that it's about the simplest build chain imaginable. Install modern golang, build minio, get single binary. Anyone relying on an opensource tool like minio, needs to look at: * organization supporting it * the license * the build chain * who else uses it? * the distribution artifact needed for production. Once yo…
They have also removed the web UI and stopped updating the documentation for the community edition. The former is not extremely serious as the community can easily replace it. The latter is arguably the worst among all the changes that we know of. While they do redirect community documentation towards its enterprise counterpart, it's becoming clear that the differences in the community edition won't be addressed at a…
Right -- I think it's quite clear that if you're relying on the free minio you need to look elsewhere or peer up with some others and fork it.
And any adoption of a critical piece of software needs to have a risk calculus associated with it of "what if they get bought by CA, invaded by Russia and murdered, murder their wife and go to jail, or dedicate their remaining time on earth to writing haiku?"
Both open source software and commercially supported software have risks and mitigations. I'd argue that you're actually safer with open source software since you can pick up and keep running it, but that's not a trivial undertaking.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
> half the price of S3 No one other than hobbyists is paying full price on AWS.
Maybe someone else somewhere is getting some unbelievably sweet deal but what I've seen from cloud discounting is more in the "single digit percentage" range than "2/3rds off" or something.
Everywhere I've worked discounts have been 40-60%. If you're getting leas than 40% whoever manages your cloud account isn't doing one of their job duties.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
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#357Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Just to be clear: THEY already have to maintain the docker image and it makes it less secure for EVERYONE if the community now needs to either find a new github repo/company building it for them or everyone has to build it themselves because they do not trust random companies. Wrong - it would be less secure if they did not share the source code and the Dockerfile along that too. As long as you take care to regular…
So just to be clear, they publish the docker image, they have an Github action which is basically free for them to build and release it into a free registry but they don't do it. So i setup everything to do this on my github with their code and publish it on my package. And you don't think this is stupid? The problem is the critisim how they act and even if they release everything and its just building the image, you…
The scenario you described is mainly just benefiting you. Whether Min.IO loses or wins something based on this decision, will remain to be seen. In either case they don't owe it either to me or to you to provide a built image, especially as they continue to provide the source, including the Dockerfile. In either case if in your setup you are not able to rebuild an image off of a Dockerfile, your setup is worth rethinking. Not to mention that on the security side, it's quite irresponsible to depend on an image from a public repo, without at least pulling it through an internal artifact management system with vulnerability scanning.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#358It's an Open Source project - I don't understand what people are complaining about. Noone is entitled to receive free Docker images. I'm sure if there is enough demand, someone else who is trustworthy will step up and automate building them. What I'd like to complain about instead is the pricing page on the Min.io webpage - it doesn't list any pricing. Looking at https://cloudian.com/blog/minios-ui-removal-leaves-org…
Years ago I worked in customer service. There was this guy who came in to to motivate us. He talked about the work of someone named Bob Farrell who had a chain of ice cream shops and sold burgers. He had received a letter from a disappointed customer. The customer had been given the extra pickles on his burgers for years and now one of Bob's employees told him he now had to pay extra for it. The customer said he'd ne…
> Minio doesn't have to give non-paying users anything, but the story still applies.
How on earth does it apply when your complete example story relies on the satisfaction of the paying customers. If you're not paying, you're not a customer - you're a user.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#359I don't think this is really a big deal. Plenty of others already maintain public OCI images of Minio (Bitnami is one example). So long as that's the case, there are options. I'm not familiar with Minio's licensing terms, so maybe they can put an end to that practice if they want to, but I suspect there are drop-in replacements other than the official Minio Docker Hub image.
What Minio is doing wrong here is thinking too highly of themselves. Their product is a fine implementation of S3-compatible object storage. It has some features that make it attractive for selfhosting. It's far from the only solution, though. The harder they make it to use, the more people are going to switch to easier alternatives.
A lot of companies try to lock down their popular open source/free products once they have a large market share. It always backfires.
Hashicorp did this. There's no reason to use Terraform anymore; OpenTofu is a drop-in replacement that is just as good for almost everyone, and all the community support will shift to it such that it will inevitably be far superior to Terraform.
Redis became Valkey. MySQL became MariaDB. OwnCloud became Nextcloud.
There are countless examples. Yeah, the commercial entities continue to exist. For companies that need support and contracts, there will still be a market. But they are destroying their pipeline for new customers. Why would anyone use a closed commercial project with no community contribution when there's a free, open source option that's either a 100% compatible drop-in replacement or a low-effort pivot to a functionally-equivalent solution without vendor lock-in and burdensome restrictions?
Minio is shooting themselves in the foot. Most people don't give a crap what's backing their object storage, so long as it works.
Re: MinIO stops distributing free Docker images
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you are missing the point of legal vs societal obligations and your analogy is equally bad. Minio's sold you this free light bulb and they also freely offered the service to upgrade it to the newest version every time a new lightbulb was released. There are many light bulb brands out there, some paid, some free, most of them also offer the service to upgrade the lightbulb automatically, even the free ones. Th…
> But for single enthusiasts who don't have a server because they are just running a Minio lightbulb in their shed it's a bad situation, because if they knew this from the beginning they would have gone with another free lightbulb that updated automatically. What keeps those enthusiasts from setting up a scheduled GitHub Action (or whatever system they prefer to use) to build the image for themselves? How much (amort…
Well, if you use --no-cache flag, maybe even 3 mins... But it's too much for the entitled "it costs them like 0 to keep building images for us"-crowd