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Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by palata »

panarky wrote: post #350
latexr wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels like with every announcement there’s the same comment: “this LLM tool I’m using now is the real deal, the thing I was using previously and spending stupid amounts of money on looked good but failed at XYZ, this new thing is where it’s at”. Rinse and repeat. Which means it wasn’t true any of the previous times, so why would it be true this time? It feels like an endless loop of the “friendship ended” meme with A…

Results > memes. If we ship more for less because the new agent doesn't tap out, that's not a honeymoon, it's an upgrade.

"If", indeed. That's the problem of metrics: it depends on what you measure, and sometimes it's hard to get a meaningful answer in the short term.

If you ship more for less, but less maintainable or less correct, then it's not necessarily an upgrade. Always the same question: does it benefit the developer? The product? The company?

It was already possible, without AI, to look like one is doing a great job ("they are producing so much! Let's promote them!") but actually just building a bad codebase. The art being to get the promotion and move to the next step before the project implodes.

Not saying that AI necessarily ends up doing that, but it most certainly help.

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by cpursley »

libraryofbabel wrote: post #170
jswny wrote: post #144

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I find Codex CLI to be very good too, but it’s missing tons of features that I use in Claude Code daily that keep me from switching full time. - Good bash command permission system - Rollbacks coupled with conversation and code - Easy switching between approval modes (Claude had a keybind that makes this easy) - Ability to send messages while it’s working (Codex just queues them up for after it’s done, Claude injects…

I don't think anyone can reasonably argue against Claude Code being the most full-featured and pleasant to use of the CLI coding agent tools. Maybe some people like the Codex user experience for idiosyncratic reasons, but it (like Gemini CLI) still feels to me rather thrown together - a Claude Clone with a lot of rough edges. But these CLI tools are still fairly thin wrappers around an LLM. Remember: they're "just an…

You can actually use Codex right from Claude Code as an MCP without that proxy stuff and it works really well, especially for review or solving things Claude couldn't. Best of both worlds!

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by hitarpetar »

raducu wrote: post #315
latexr wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Feels like with every announcement there’s the same comment: “this LLM tool I’m using now is the real deal, the thing I was using previously and spending stupid amounts of money on looked good but failed at XYZ, this new thing is where it’s at”. Rinse and repeat. Which means it wasn’t true any of the previous times, so why would it be true this time? It feels like an endless loop of the “friendship ended” meme with A…

> “this LLM tool I’m using now is the real deal". GPT-5 is not the final deal, but it's incredibly good as is at coding. Anecdotal, but it's something completely else in terms of capabilities, ignore it at your own peril, but I think it will profoundly change software development.

oh it's anecdata? then I don't care. show me evidence please

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by joenot443 »

jimmydoe wrote: post #337
iammrpayments wrote: post #325

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It could also be covert advertising like you see in reddit

trust your instinct. internet is dead.

Actually, there are more internet users today than at any point in history. The internet is far from dead.

The commenter in question is the CTO of the company which makes Wordfence. My instinct says they're not on the OpenAI payroll and you're looking at a normal comment and not advertisement.

I think you should check your priors man; it's worth thinking critically before you toss out accusations like that.

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by dns_snek »

ssk42 wrote: post #343
dns_snek wrote: post #305

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> Who are you to be that demanding? Let's call it the skeptical public? We've been listening to a group of people rave about how revolutionary these tools are, how they're able to perform senior level developer work, how good their code is, and how they're able to work autonomously through the use of sub-agents (i.e. vibe coding), without ever providing evidence that would support any of those grandiose claims. But t…

Context engineering is a critical part of being able to use the tool. And it's ok to not understand how to use a new tool. The different models combined with different stacks require different ways of grappling with the technology. And it all changes! It sucks that you've tried it for your stack (Elixir, whatever that is) in your way and it was disappointing. To me, the tool inherently makes sense and vibes with my o…

So your take is that every real software developer I know is simply bad at using this magical tool that performs on the level of mid-senior level software engineer in the hands of a few chosen ones? But the chosen ones never build anything in public where it can be observed, evaluated, and critiqued. How unfortunate is that?

The people I talked to use a wide variety of environments and their experience is similar across the board, whether they're working in Nodejs, React, Vue, Ruby, PHP, Java, Elixir, or Python.

> Productivity, especially when dealing with code, is hard to quanitfy.

Indeed, that's why I think most people claiming these obscene benefits are really bad at evaluating their own performance and/or started from a really low baseline.

I always think back to a study I read a while ago where people without ADHD were given stimulant medication and reported massive improvements in productivity but objective measurements showed that their real-world performance was equal to, or slightly lower than their baseline.

I think it's very relevant to the psychology behind this AI worship. Some people are being elevated from a low baseline whilst others are imagining the benefits.

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by LexiMax »

jimmydoe wrote: post #337
iammrpayments wrote: post #325

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It could also be covert advertising like you see in reddit

trust your instinct. internet is dead.

I would agree with you, but mmaunder has a registration date of 2007 and has a bio filled out with easily-verifiable information.

...is what a reasonable argument against would sound like. But in truth, nobody really knows who is running that account. There's nothing stopping anybody from passing off their HN account to someone else, having it stolen from them, or even selling it. They could possibly even be who they say they are, but have an undisclosed vested interest in the thing they're promoting.

Internet communities aren't dead, but social media sure is, and Hacker News is ultimately a social media site.

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by koakuma-chan »

NiloCK wrote: post #318
koakuma-chan wrote: post #256

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Why did they not buy a subscription? It would be a flat fee.

At that spend, no subscription is available to serve that much traffic - they are all rate limited. I understand the 70K spend as a corporate expense, not an individual... right?

I haven't checked but it would make sense if each developer had their own rate limit.

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by bonesss »

kofman wrote: post #262
nojs wrote: post #208

This is going to be extremely useful. A lot of people have hacked together similar things to get around waiting for CC to finish without mangling worktrees and branches manually. I was curious how the 'Open in CLI' works - it copies a command to clipboard like 'claude --teleport session_XXXXX', which opens the same chat in the CLI, and checks out a new branch off origin/main which it's created for the thread, called…

Our title generation is done preemptively as you type and is a bit too eager to declare it has enough context. We’ll tweak it.

Sounds like a fully functioning feature to me: “make up a task to force the project managers eyes to glaze over” ;)

“Quick, Claude, what have I supposedly been WorkingOn all morning? … ‘Blockchain Token Configuration Update’, perfect!”

Re: Claude Code on the web

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Post by dudeinhawaii »

mmaunder wrote: post #41

We were heavy users of Claude Code ($70K+ spend per year) and have almost completely switched to codex CLI. I'm doing massive lifts with it on software that would never before have been feasible for me personally, or any team I've ever run. I'll use Claude Code maybe once every two weeks as a second set of eyes to inspect code and document a bug, with mixed success. But my experience has been that initially Claude Co…

In agreement. Large caveats that can explain differing opinions (that I've experienced) are:

* Is really only magic on Linux or WSL. Mediocre on Windows

* Is quite mediocre at UI code but exceptional at backend, engineering, ops, etc. (I use Claude to spruce up everything user facing -- Codex _can_ mirror designs already in place fairly well).

* Exceptional at certain languages, OK at others.

* GPT-5 and GPT-5-Codex are not the same. Both are models used by the Codex CLI and the GPT-5-Codex model is recent and fantastically good.

* Codex CLI is not "conversational" in the way that Claude is. You kind of interact with it differently.

I often wonder about the impact of different prompting styles. I think the WOW moment for me is that I am no longer returning to code to find tangled messes, duplicate silo'd versions of the same solution (in a different project in the same codebase), or strangely novice style coding and error handling.

As a developer for 20yrs+, using Codex running the GPT-5-Codex model has felt like working with a peer or near-peer for the first time ever. I've been able to move beyond smaller efforts and also make quite a lot of progress that didn't have to be undone/redone. I've used it for a solid month making phenomenal progress and able to offload as-if I had another developer.

Honestly, my biggest concern is that OpenAI is teasing this capable model and then pulls the rug in a month with an "update".

As for the topic at hand, I think Claude Code has without a doubt the best "harness" and interface. It's faster, painless, and has a very clean and readable way of laying out findings when troubleshooting. If there were a cheap and usable version of Opus... perhaps that would keep Claude Code on the cutting edge.

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