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Canadian bill would strip internet access from 'specified persons', no warrant

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Post by stickfigure »

34679 wrote: post #308
MagicMoonlight wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We’re definitely in the pre-war era. It’s like when Britain was trying to negotiate with Hitler while rearming in the background. China is going to attack pearl harbour in the hopes that a sudden unexpected attack will cripple the pacific fleet and knock America out of the war. It won’t work, we’ll go through hell again. But every time these places think it will work, and they don’t factor in the fact that they are c…

>they are completely reliant on foreign trade for their economy. If China cut trade ties with the US, which country do you think will still be able to produce everything it needs? People like to think of China as just a source of cheap consumer goods, but we are much more reliant on them than that. Every power plant has Chinese components that keep it functioning. Every farm, automobile, communication network, aircra…

That stuff is also made in Vietnam, Malaysia, Indonesia, Phillipenes, Korea, India, etc etc etc.

Things would get a little more expensive. We are already seeing that with Trump's trade policies. But if the west-aligned world stopped trading with China their entire economy would collapse overnight, with mass unemployment.

It is a shame that Trump is deadset on alienating all of our natural allies in this conflict - especially those in the apac region.

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Post by fasbiner »

stinkbeetle wrote: post #304
fasbiner wrote: post #303

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This is terribly self-important and extrapolatory. Canada is a place that allowed private for-profit institutions to sell an unlimited number of student vouchers that made the associated visa shall-issue. These are trivial to overstay without oversight and millions of people have. Regardless of the relative merits of this policy, it certainly isn't what canadians voted for or even permitted public discussion of befor…

> This is terribly self-important and extrapolatory. No it isn't.

The light is going to go out for all of humanity for all time as part of a centuries old plan for final victory by starting at the most critical link of all in the whole chain of being... canadian routers.

Canada is a country that has historically been weaker on free speech and free assembly and individual rights compared to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Canada#Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_banned_in_Canada

A website operator was convicted of obscenity in 2016, a comedian was fined for making a joke about someone's appearance in a comedy club while on stage, the government debanked people as an extrajudicial punishment for a disruptive assembly without due processs... it's a lovely country but they have more tradition of using the state in conjunction with corporate power to express value judgements with the force of law. America is an outlier, not a baseline.

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Post by charles_f »

narrator wrote: post #299
nick__m wrote: post #29

I tought that the National Post was exaggerating the severity in their crusade against the Liberal like they frequently do. So I when to read the law and it's as bad as they say: https://www.parl.ca/DocumentViewer/en/45-1/bill/C-8/first-re... ... Factor Before making the order, the Governor in Council must consider (a) its operational impact on the affected telecommunications service providers; (b) its financial impa…

I think the problem with most average left of center people who want to be agreeable and civic minded is they have total incredulity at the government would actually do anything really screwed up, especially as they are so "moral" with their performative political correctness. How can someone who cares about the rights of minority groups act so tyrannically? There's always a glitch though somewhere, and people assume…

I'm not sure why you would mention "left of center". This seems to be true for everyone, look across the border of Canada if you want an example. People tend to be trusting of others, because society came to be through collaboration.

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Post by thijson »

fasbiner wrote: post #352
stinkbeetle wrote: post #304

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> This is terribly self-important and extrapolatory. No it isn't.

The light is going to go out for all of humanity for all time as part of a centuries old plan for final victory by starting at the most critical link of all in the whole chain of being... canadian routers. Canada is a country that has historically been weaker on free speech and free assembly and individual rights compared to the US: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship_in_Canada#Internet https://en.wikipedia.org/…

And if that doesn't work, there's always the War Measures Act (ie. martial law).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Crisis

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Post by boringg »

LexiMax wrote: post #346
boringg wrote: post #337

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The dependency on the relationship - it was by design that it is a mutual dependency.

I think that was the idea, but in practice I think that China successfully outmaneuvered the United States by taking advantage of the short-sighted greed of our businesses leaders. They are now the manufacturing capital of the world, and our position of being the preeminent consumer in the world lasts only as long as our consumers can afford to purchase things.

These are long lived relationships -- they may have outmaneueverd at some points, and also restrained at others.

China runs a precarious political situation which is only as strong as the country is economically stable - which currently it is veering to unstable. It goes without saying the US is also in a precarious situation - it is much more publicized due to the nature of the US airing all its dirty laundry publicly.

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Post by psunavy03 »

torben-friis wrote: post #310
kelipso wrote: post #306

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It’s interesting how there is this pre-war vibe going on but when you describe the actual predictions, it seems extremely unlikely. It feels more like a phenomenon created through the internet than actual pre-war anything.

The china thing is very out there - but I’d see them going for the push in Taiwan and things escalating there. My main concern as a European is Russia. It is a historical truth that once a country goes through the process of starting a war economy it doesn’t usually dissolve or sit idle - conflict is going to happen there. For America, watching from the outside, a civil war seems much more likely than direct war with…

For America, watching from the inside, this is highly unlikely. The worst case scenario for what's going on right now would be something more akin to the Troubles in Ireland than a full-on civil war for any number of reasons.

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Post by deadbabe »

aceofspades19 wrote: post #186
deadbabe wrote: post #126

I thought the US was bad but Canada is speed running a fully fascist government even faster.

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The Canadian bill legally affects everyone in their country but the US actions are still largely illegal and will go away in a future administration, and they are localized to specific areas and groups.

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Post by hn_throw_bs »

protocolture wrote: post #109
hn_throw_bs wrote: post #33

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Of course a random throwaway would support it just to rile up the comment section.

Not so much about riling as I’m all for censorship as long as it’s out in the open.
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