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Post by dpifke »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #284
dpifke wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've run my own mail servers for many decades and have never had any deliverability issues. I've also never used bargain basement cloud VPS services with horrible reputations. The best way to ensure a good reputation is to obtain your own address space from a RIR. Barring that, you need to choose a provider with a decent reputation to delegate the space to you.

> obtain your own address space from a RIR How does one do that? And what are the costs involved?

From your HN profile, I see you're in Brazil, which is part of the region IANA has delegated to LACNIC. Per [0], LACNIC has further delegated numbering authority in Brazil to Registro.br.

Following the links on that page (or performing a simple Google search) leads one to: https://registro.br/tecnologia/numeracao/como-solicitar/

[0]: https://www.lacnic.net/1016/2/lacnic/ip-request

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by anonym29 »

eastdakota wrote: post #191
sssilver wrote: post #184

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> At least they’re not selling ads using your data Sounds great, until a new CEO steps in. Any company is exactly one (or more often zero) CEO away from doing whatever they want (within legal constraints) with their business, in order to fulfill their fiduciary duty (and greed).

I’m not going anywhere anytime soon.

Brian Thompson felt the same way.

At least Brian Thompson wasn't complicit in helping the IC conduct bulk violation of the fourth amendment rights of the entire country, unlike you. He was just a greedy bastard. Your actions, on the other hand, render you a traitor and a threat to the democratic process of the country itself.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by jedberg »

drnick1 wrote: post #101
maz1b wrote: post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

I run my own email server and you couldn't pay me to use a commercial provider like Google instead. The privacy benefits are huge and there is no one to restrict my storage or change my "terms and conditions" overnight. The days of people running their own servers are gone because of the shortsightedness and laziness of IT managers. They though the "cloud" would be easier and cheaper, and they are now trapped.

> The privacy benefits are huge

Are they? I'd bet 90% of the email in your archive went through Google or Microsoft or Yahoo's servers, and most likely a copy still resides there.

If you're sending to or getting a message from a Gmail account, Google still has a copy.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by jedberg »

parliament32 wrote: post #157
maz1b wrote: post #26

It's unfortunate that email hosting and email infrastructure can really be done only well by major players. The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone. Fwiw, not a knock against CF. I like their products, mostly simple, fair pricing, etc. Just a bit unfortunate commentary on the state of email infra on the internet.

> The days of people running and maintaining their own are pretty much long gone This is very much a myth. There's a lot of FUD around how mail is "hard", but it's much less complicated than, say, running and maintaining a k8s cluster (professionally, I'm responsible for both at my org, so I can make this comparison with some authority). Honestly `apt install postfix dovecot` gets you 90% of the way there. Getting sp…

> There's a lot of FUD around how mail is "hard", but it's much less complicated than, say, running and maintaining a k8s cluster

The main difference is that you're fully in control of the k8s cluster, but no matter what you do, you don't have control over the email infrastructure, because deliverability depends on the receiver. On every receiver you send to.

People say "I don't have deliverability problems!" but how do you know? Most places don't tell you they rejected your email.

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Post by osigurdson »

egorfine wrote: post #219
stingraycharles wrote: post #68

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To be honest, the internet was worse without Cloudflare, so as long as they provide a good service for their customers, I’m fine with it. This is one of those. Google is in a perfect position to compete but they don’t, so it’s not like Cloudflare is a monopoly or something. At least they’re not selling ads using your data.

> the internet was worse without Cloudflare It had much more freedom. Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not. Tomorrow some stupid law will mandate certain ideas to be hidden from children[1] and Cloudflare will happily comply. 1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Think_of_the_children

>> Currently it's up to Cloudflare to decide whether you will read that article or not.

How is Cloudflare gatekeeping things? I believe you but don't understand the mechanism.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

Gormo wrote: post #318
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #293

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> can't imagine what a court case about whether the US president has the power to unilaterally dismiss officials in executive-branch agencies could possibly have to do with this Seriously? You don't see the relevance of independent agencies to this discussion?

No. And the dynamics of inter-branch checks and balances within the US federal government aren't directly relevant to the question of whether the federal government as a whole is a reliable institution in the first place (nb: it isn't).

> the dynamics of inter-branch checks and balances within the US federal government aren't directly relevant to the question of whether the federal government as a whole is a reliable institution in the first place

You don’t see a reliability difference between a self-moderating and unmoderated system?

Do you see any value in QC?

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Post by SouravInsights »

I just signed up for the early access!

So far I have used Resend, Sendgrid, Loops (for a person throw away project so don't have good exposure) but I found Resend the most easiest, convenient and straightforward. Especially their React Email library made it so easier to compose emails using React components. I really love that. Back then we had to manually craft HTML emails, worry about inline styles, and constantly test across different clients, which was a pretty painful process compared to how smooth it is now with React Emails.

One key part of my workflow is validating emails before sending so I'm not blowing up my bills or getting labelled as spam. And since Resend doesn’t support that natively, I'm currently having to use Emailable’s API to check if addresses are actually deliverable. Having that built-in would be a huge plus. And I know it's not usually something that email providers should care about but it would be so much better if Cloudflare makes this a native offering.

Re: Cloudflare Email Service: private beta

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Post by IgorPartola »

r00f wrote: post #203
segmondy wrote: post #161

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The internet is worse for me with Cloudflare. I'm using a cellphone router for my internet. My guess is I don't get a dedicated IP and probably behind a NAT with other users. 85% of my request needs me to solve a cloudflare captcha. on bad days I have to do this easily 100+ times.

It is not Cloudflare's fault. It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day. Thanks to Cloudflare I was able to reduce my website load threefold and downscale my VMs and my monthly cloud bill, and seeing how 50k daily requests were shown CAPTCHA and not even tried to solve it makes me terrified of running anything without Cloudflare. Don…

If I click on a search result and it shows me a CloudFlare CAPTCHA I leave. Immediately and permanently. I get what you are saying but also you will not get a dime from me if I have to waste my time solving a CAPTCHA prompt that half the time is so broken it just gets stuck in a loop.

I guess whatever revenue you lose you make up for in a lower hosting bill. I just go to your competitor that doesn’t have the horrible UX. Usually those websites also tend to have much more optimized web pages too so it is an all around better experience.

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Post by IgorPartola »

monkeywork wrote: post #283
Dylan16807 wrote: post #272

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It's cloudlare's fault that it's so common to have very overzealous blocking. Site owners need access to bot protection but that doesn't mean highly flawed protection gets to be blameless.

That reads more like: - site owners can have protection as long as it doesn't inconvenience me.

I mean, yeah that is what it is. You can have “protection” or you can have me as a customer. I am not here to solve broken CAPTCHAs all day long.

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Post by IgorPartola »

ants_everywhere wrote: post #291
r00f wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is not Cloudflare's fault. It means the website operators were so fed up with bots and bad actors that they just applied a carpet ban and called it a day. Thanks to Cloudflare I was able to reduce my website load threefold and downscale my VMs and my monthly cloud bill, and seeing how 50k daily requests were shown CAPTCHA and not even tried to solve it makes me terrified of running anything without Cloudflare. Don…

Of course it's cloudflare's fault. They monetized and scaled a service that blocks humans from interacting with websites. They're also essentially a deanonymization reverse proxy that can track everyone's browsing history and decide whether you get to see websites based on social credit.

And it is in their financial interest to block. They would rather not spend their bandwidth.
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