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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by RamRodification »

uyzstvqs wrote: post #281
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Yet I pick a Chromium based browser because Firefox is awfully anti-user. I still can't load extensions that are not Mozilla-approved, a major deal breaker for me. Then there's the "news" (ragebait slop) on the new tab screen by default, almost like I'm using MS Edge, and also the many sponsored & "suggested" (read: sponsored) links by default in new tab and the address bar as well. The only acceptable Gecko-based br…

Sponsor stuff that you can just turn off (Firefox) vs. Selling out your privacy directly (chromium with worse fingerprinting protection) and indirectly (Google browser monopoly).

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by pjmlp »

input_sh wrote: post #264
pjmlp wrote: post #236

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They already did, Safari is the only one left standing, by the market share. Plus all the Electron crap that gets shoved as "native".

The only reason Safari has any market share is because it's the default on every iPhone. 4/5 top browsers by market share are there because they are preinstalled on millions of devices and none of them are terrible enough for an average person to look for an alternative.

Indeed, otherwise the only thing left would be ChromeOS Platform and its forks.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by backtoyesterday »

lenkite wrote: post #208
Zardoz84 wrote: post #196

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I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.

Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.

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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by kristofferR »

pshirshov wrote: post #348

> No adware, no bloat, no noise. And, apparently, no tree style tabs, no vertical tabs at all.

What does Tree Style Tabs offer that Sidebery doesn't?

I switched to it and haven't looked back. The tab search functionality is so damn nice.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by crossroadsguy »

dani_kagi wrote: post #231
crossroadsguy wrote: post #121

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Orion was a very unstable/buggy app. I don't know how it is now. The funny thing is when I had reached out to their support with a detailed bug report, they asked me to go to GitHub issues instead (or their feedback forum; not sure whether they had moved). I asked them to pass it to the team since I had already shared it and these were easily and always reproducible; I had added proper steps as well. They said - nope…

I'm sorry you had this experience. If you still have the bug report please send it to daniel.langh at kagi.com. I'll check on your original report and see how we can improve our communication going forward.

Hey, thanks for asking.

I am afraid I do not have those anymore. There were few in the mail and almost 20 (few of those were feature suggestions tbh) in the notes app. I later deleted those as well when I was cleaning up notes and cleared trash of the app. I just checked iCloud and it doesn't have that old history. If I use Orion again - hopefully when it's open source - I shall report bugs I find directly on the feedback site or the proper bug report channel then. Cheers.

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Iirc it was from Jan-Feb of this year or maybe a bit further back. I am sure most of those would have been fixed. I remember one - when I would see the "all tabs" view on iOS and then click "Done" to get back to the normal usage window i.e one tab in focus and nothing happened. i.e basically returning from the "all tabs" view on iOS where you used to reach with swipe up on Safari.

Another - clear history on Mac used to crash for me. These were the most annoying and 100% repro. for me.

One more → iirc there was no way to customise (or I didn't find - not sure anymore) right click context menu on Mac. I almost always used "open in new tab" and there were too many options there which I didn't want or maybe didn't want on top.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by azeemba »

dotancohen wrote: post #284
pjmlp wrote: post #150

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Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

> Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google? Without proper education, every generation repeats the follies of their parents.

Just to remind everyone though, Microsoft won that lawsuit on appeal.

So the history here is that Microsoft lost its monopoly on its own poor decision making.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by shaky-carrousel »

supermatt wrote: post #262
rjh29 wrote: post #185

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Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

> leading standards support "Leading" being the operative word. Ship a new feature, submit it as a standard and encourage its adoption so things only work on chrome and further increase market share when people find other browsers "broken". MS did exactly the same shit with IE - the only really difference was that the standards body (w3c) was independent, so they couldn't self declare it as a standard. Now the "stand…

That was quite a move from Google, replacing the independent W3C with the Google lapdog whatwg...

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by paulryanrogers »

ed_mercer wrote: post #313
drnick1 wrote: post #86

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What makes you think that Apple respects your privacy any more than Google and Microsoft? The marketing brochure?

Apple has released several privacy features, their slogan is “Privacy. That’s Apple.”, and they make their money from hardware. Even if not a perfect company it’s sure as hell a better bet than MS or google.

Apple increasingly makes money via services.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by rdsubhas »

anang wrote: post #263
Calavar wrote: post #206

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> Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. Google learned it can be "standards compliant" if it submits a draft spec to WHATWG/W3C, and while the comment and revision process is still ongoing, roll out those features in Chrome and start using them in YouTube, Gmail, Google docs, and AMP. Now Firefox and Safari are forced to implement those draft specs as well or users will leave in droves becaus…

I don't mean this to doubt you, it is a sincere question. Do you have any examples of that happening? It sounds very believable, but it would be great to have actual sources for future reference.

QUIC. HTTP/3. WebP. And more in this comment thread.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by rkomorn »

pessimizer wrote: post #315
rkomorn wrote: post #138

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Maybe it's also the other way around: if Firefox was legitimate competition, Google wouldn't "fund" them (quotes because really, google is also just buying user traffic with their investment). Is Google actively sabotaging Mozilla or is Mozilla a genuine competitor that just hasn't figured out how to build a browser that'll actually challenge Chrome (and Chromiumy browsers) beyond ideologist users? I say it's the lat…

> is Mozilla a genuine competitor that just hasn't figured out how to build a browser that'll actually challenge Chrome Mozilla had a browser that had huge market share and was growing, and actively destroyed it for the sake of Chrome, at the same time as they became a financial dependent of google. > google is also just buying user traffic with their investment Google is not buying user traffic from a browser with a…

I'm not saying Google's funding of Mozilla isn't entirely self serving. I think it is.

I just don't think Google's funding of Mozilla is what's actually holding Mozilla back.

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