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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by johnisgood »

okanat wrote: post #301
johnisgood wrote: post #194

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which banks? Which country? How do they check and enforce iPhone / Google wrt. 2FA? Are you referring to TOTP as 2FA?

All banks are required to have "safe" 2FA in the EU by EU regulation. SMS is banned. Most banks in Germany, Austria and Portugal default to Play Store or App Store apps with OS integrity checks. It seems like the Nordic countries have it a bit better with the ID reader apps. There are sometimes alternatives and some of them require paid subscription. The apps they require are proprietary. They are not generic TOTP ge…

> All banks are required to have "safe" 2FA in the EU by EU regulation. SMS is banned.

Hungary is in EU and the most popular bank sends a one-time code (with expiry) via SMS for logging in, making a transaction, for the mere displaying of "Telecode", and so on.

There is no TOTP, only this one-time code sent via SMS.

I do not use their apps on any platform. I login via their website when I need to which is rare. When I make a payment via card, I have to provide the provided 3-digit "Telecode" and the one-time code sent via SMS. There is an option "What if I do not have access to that phone number?" or whatever the literal translation is, but I have not checked that out yet.

... which is why I left a comment asking you about the details. You telling me SMS is banned and referring to EU regulations just left me more confused given the above.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by john01dav »

bonoboTP wrote: post #286
jacobgkau wrote: post #274

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Of course-- there will be accommodations to start out with. Then, after the new system has become "just the way things work," the accommodations will be removed for security or efficiency or some other reason. Or maybe not. I've never lost a boarding pass, but if you lose one, you can get it re-issued somewhere, right?

Without endorsement of the behavior, here's a guy getting arrested for being argumentative about not having a boarding pass in the app, and being told he can't pay their 5 dollar boarding pass print fee with cash. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0QwwPmHyuEA Again, being argumentative like this never helps, but it will be you either go along with it, get escorted out or not fly in the first place.

Morally, this guy did nothing wrong. These abusive practices need to be stood up to. I'd rather live in a world where this sort of vehement NO when someone with power tries to pull something unreasonable, like demanding an app or fee, is common and effective, than this world where companies and governments can just steamroll people. Ideally, other passengers would see what's going on, see the systemic problem (even if minor in this case), and also join in in the NO. Make the terminal unusable with an angry growing mass until they decide to be reasonable. The comments on that youtube video mocking the guy and not even addressing the airline's unreasonable policy are also an absurd lack of solidarity against these companies. When someone is mad they probably have a reason to be mad and we ought to listen to them and then get mad too if we agree, other than just dismissing someone for feeling an emotion, lest we'll just have more and more rights, privileges, and respect eroded. We need a culture of standing up for each other against injustice, no matter how small.

I know that his behavior was not a rational pursuit, since in practice humans are too skittish about standing up for themselves and too skittish against anyone whom they see as abnormal/not complying with social norms. But, this does not change the fact that he's completely in the right. I'd love to know a more effective strategy to deal with this shit from companies, if anyone knows one. What should he do instead in this situation where it is simply too unjust to him to be acceptable to give in?

Also, I'm offended at this cop for telling the guy to "be cordial". NO. The airline's behavior is not cordial! They do NOT deserve it back! Freedom of speech means freedom to get mad at someone, possibly REALLY mad, when they try to be unreasonable. Being angry is different from being violent, and the government shouldn't shield people and companies from this consequence (angry people) of their actions.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by john01dav »

koyote wrote: post #333
bonoboTP wrote: post #265

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They are verbose and vague about it: "Some passengers may be concerned about what they can do if they lose their phone or of their devices run out of battery before the pass board the aircraft. Ryanair has said they will assist people experiencing difficulties free of charge at the gate gathering their information and flight details which will be cross-checked and validated against the flight manifest so that they ca…

Maybe we need to collectively all 'lose' our phone just before boarding at the gate, resulting in some flight delays, so that this nonsense gets reverted.

This is the sort of solidarity that we need against this insanity.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by [deleted] »

sally_glance wrote: post #313
XorNot wrote: post #296

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No, it's a cost cutting measure. App-only reduces support and development costs with whoever they're outsourcing this too. There's a line item which basically said "mobile web" and they wanted it gone to save some number of dollars per year.

We (software agency) recently encountered this line of argument for the first time here in Germany. It definitely reduces costs to swap 3 platform support to 2, but it still came as a kind of surprise to me. They (customer) poured years and seven digit figures into the web-based version which is now effectively going to be trashed. The current prod metrics are not supporting the 90% mobile thesis... I guess they just…

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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by sejin8642 »

I am not sure if it is feasible, but is there a way to have age-verification only once method on your phone? If you're a sole owner of your phone that no one else uses, can you have your phone age-verified? So you don't have to deal with age verification process every single time you try to access age-restricted information.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by argomo »

Confiks wrote: post #216
disruptiveink wrote: post #45

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The insane question here is, why would the EU mandate hardware attestation controlled by two private American companies in order to access services? That seems completely contrary to the spirit of EU laws and regulations, which tend to be about protecting the consumer, preventing monopolies, ensuring people can generally live their lives where all things that are mandatory are owned and ran by the state and foster a…

> The insane question here is, why would the EU mandate hardware attestation controlled by two private American companies in order to access services? Please (kindly) ask Paolo De Rosa [1], Policy Officer at the European Commission and driver of many of the decisions behind the wallet and the ARF. His position is one of fatalism: that it's "too late"; the duopoly of Goople is entrenched, and it's therefore not a prob…

That's so dumb... Europe did it with Airbus and they did it with GNSS. Come on Europe, make a smartphone! The hardware's only getting cheaper.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by argomo »

pelorat wrote: post #285
codedokode wrote: post #175

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This "identity wallet" is such a hostile idea, require identification for everything instead of thinking about how to remove identification (for example, allow anonymous banking, traveling).

Wait until you find out that in some places in the EU it's a crime to not carry a physical ID on your person when you leave the house.

Is it just me, or are nation-states getting way too uppity?

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by lmm »

smcg wrote: post #267
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #257

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I throw the tickets into my (digital) wallet and then don't think about the app until the next time I need to buy tickets. But that's not helpful if you don't have a phone.

And most wallet apps don't work if you install your own phone OS.

Most e-tickets designed for wallet apps follow a well understood standard which has multiple implementations available for different OSes, e.g. https://linuxphoneapps.org/services/pkpass/

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by baq »

argomo wrote: post #357
pelorat wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait until you find out that in some places in the EU it's a crime to not carry a physical ID on your person when you leave the house.

Is it just me, or are nation-states getting way too uppity?

In post Soviet countries it’s a relic of the past, obviously still useful if you’re looking for a reason to arrest someone.
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