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Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by cess11 »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #336
fn-mote wrote: post #57

I was ready to be unsympathetic - too bad for the company - but then I read TFA and it's a rug pull on a nonprofit teaching coding to kids.... https://hackclub.com/ (They do help clubs sell things, taking "7% of income", so they do have a revenue stream, but the money that Slack wants would pay a veritable army of student interns.)

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Programming is much, much bigger than writing and maintaining stuff for businesses.

It's a way to create many forms of art, solve everyday problems and automate a plethora of machines in our homes.

You sound like an accountant whining about kids learning about calculators and statistics.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by tux3 »

That's a 40x increase all at once with a very short grace period, it's bait-and-switch territory.

If only 2.5% of targets pay the ransom, Slack breaks even on this racket, so in absence of any protection this strategy is most likely profitable for Slack.

This is something you pull if you want to squeeze in the short term, and don't mind losing customers.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by amiga386 »

Traubenfuchs wrote: post #336
fn-mote wrote: post #57

I was ready to be unsympathetic - too bad for the company - but then I read TFA and it's a rug pull on a nonprofit teaching coding to kids.... https://hackclub.com/ (They do help clubs sell things, taking "7% of income", so they do have a revenue stream, but the money that Slack wants would pay a veritable army of student interns.)

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Alternatively: do teach coding to kids (which includes logical reasoning and problem solving)

You don't want an entire generation of people who can barely operate the devices that enable and control a huge portion of their lives.

Kids will benefit immensely from being able to logically reason, and will be less afraid to repair or work around shoddy software, even if they never write another line of code in their lives.

Professional programmers dont fear kids taught to code any more than novellists fear kids taught literacy or accountants fear kids with numeracy. If anything, they know personally how important it is to learn these things.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by grues-dinner »

bfelbo wrote: post #273
v3ss0n wrote: post #262

Zulip is much better alternative due it it's threaded nature and it have nice slack import tool. Please give a try.

Would love to use Zulip, but the bad mobile app reviews are scaring me off.

The Zulip app is just fine, at least on Android.

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by xavxav »

joshmlewis wrote: post #136

It's also not a coincidence that Slack is neutering the ability to access channel history via the API very soon. With a very generous rate limit of 2 requests per minute I believe it was and a max of ~10 messages. This is already enforced for new marketplace apps and will apply to all apps starting in March according to their docs.

I'm surprised GDPR has nothing to say about this. You should have the right to your data, but I suppose that doesn't extend to companies?

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by scrollaway »

mixcocam wrote: post #334

Mailing lists, just switch to mailing lists with a web archive for internal discussions. You can have a chat with messages which auto-delete every 30 days for quick discussions (we use the talk chat from nextcloud - not great but does what we need). All of our real discussions are sent to a mailing list with a web archive (like lkml.org, except private). That way we can still reference precise messages easily. It has…

This type of contribution is so incredibly both tone deaf and unempathetic, I wonder if you understand even how incredibly selfish the attitude is? Especially in using the word “just”. “Just” do this incredibly complex switch, which is utterly unsuitable to your users and how they work together, and which doesn’t actually solve your problem at hand since the article is about something else.

You give zero thoughts as to how the people affected are actually using the tool, why they would be in need of real time communication rather than delayed clunky messages, or even who the actual audience is.

Even with the absolute best reading of intentions I can give to your comment, I can only imagine you wrote it to make some microsubset of people still using mailing lists feel better about their choice and validated in one of the ever rarer advantages there are to using email as primary communication.

Either that or you don’t actually know what Slack is. But then why comment?

Re: Slack has raised our charges by $195k per year

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Post by timeon »

tux3 wrote: post #352

That's a 40x increase all at once with a very short grace period, it's bait-and-switch territory. If only 2.5% of targets pay the ransom, Slack breaks even on this racket, so in absence of any protection this strategy is most likely profitable for Slack. This is something you pull if you want to squeeze in the short term, and don't mind losing customers.

Was not obvious before but these days it is: choosing VC-backed service is very risky.
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