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Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #194
actionfromafar wrote: post #83

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One party had a long leash. The other cut the leash and yelled attaboy. Now acting mildly concerned when the neighbour downstreet (Qatar) got their chickens bombed.

Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be? They're the leaders of a terrorist organization. The US takes out terrorists wherever they may be (or, works with local authorities to get them first). But, when local authorities are siding with the terrorists, we go in there and do it ourselves. October 7th was Israel's 9/11 - we went and got bin Laden in Pakistan, without dealing with the Pakistani gov…

> Why shouldn't Hamas leadership be bombed wherever they may be?

Israel wouldn't be nearly as criticised if they're restricted themselves to surgical strikes on Hamas. Hell, they could have done exactly what they did until hostages started being exchanged, and then switched to surgical strikes, and I suspect--while folks would grumble--leaders would have better things to focus on.

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Post by stubish »

hirvi74 wrote: post #318
thegrim33 wrote: post #193

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Looking at the official HN guidelines, it states that "Most stories about politics" is off-topic , and "If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic ". Is the Isreal/Gaza debate not political, and not mainstream news? How does a story like this not directly violate those guidelines? Furthermore, the guidelines state that stories should be what "good hackers" find "intellectually satisfying". A political deb…

> A political debate thread about Isreal is what "good hackers" would find intellectually satisfying? Personally, one aspect I always enjoyed about this site was how it was often an escape for me from the endless bombardments of political discourse that is constantly being shown/recommend to me on other platforms. I do understand the importance of the nature of these types of discussions, but I agree with you, I am n…

Conversely, some of us don't hang out on sites that are an endless bombardment of political discourse. That sounds awful. The HN approach seems uniquely useful. One or two post on an event, easily skipped over and ignored if you want with all the comments hidden behind clicking on that headline. Whole trees of comments trivially collapsed at will when they become uninteresting. It is actually a really great way of getting international news (including US news for me) and sampling opinions and commentary, even if it was not intended that way.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by abustamam »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #344
mandeepj wrote: post #228

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> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

> that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red This is nonsense outside Michigan. And to the extent this happened, I'd have to say pro-Palestinian voters in swing states casting with the guy who initiated the Muslim ban and recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital essentially communicated that they were fine throwing millions of people in the Middle East under the bus…

Even Wayne County, Michigan, which has Dearborn, stayed blue.

Though I was honestly surprised at how much of my Muslim community was so anti-Harris that they voted for Trump. Harris may be pro-Israel, but Trump is anti-almost everything else we stand for.

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Post by tiahura »

rgblambda wrote: post #348
jcranmer wrote: post #128

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There's definitely a generational gap going in the US. Support for Israel is not popular among the younger generation in the US, and there's a good deal of voters in their 20s and 30s for whom support for Israel a red line in candidates. But older generations tend to be staunchly in favor of Israel, and too much of the gerontocratic political class thinks that pro-Israel uber alles is the key to winning votes. It is…

Mossad have actually warned the Netanyahu government of this, saying U.S support for Israel is slipping away and now might be the best time to implement a two state solution, while it can still be as one sided as possible in favour of Israel. Netanyahu has chosen to ignore this.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by rgblambda »

kunley wrote: post #229
impossiblefork wrote: post #214

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But the Palestians and Hamas are distinct. There are even Christian Palestinians who are of course, since Hamas is so fundamentally Islamist, not at all represented by the group. Palestinians who are not part of Hamas are third parties and when they are attacked, you can't tell them to ask Hamas to release hostages or do anything, because they have no more influence over Hamas than anybody else does.

Do Christian Palestinians live in the Gaza strip or somewhere else?

There are Christian Palestinians in Gaza. Remember the Catholic church in Gaza that was bombed by Israel resulting in a rare apology to the Vatican?

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

abustamam wrote: post #353
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #344

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> that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red This is nonsense outside Michigan. And to the extent this happened, I'd have to say pro-Palestinian voters in swing states casting with the guy who initiated the Muslim ban and recognised Jerusalem as Israel's capital essentially communicated that they were fine throwing millions of people in the Middle East under the bus…

Even Wayne County, Michigan, which has Dearborn, stayed blue. Though I was honestly surprised at how much of my Muslim community was so anti-Harris that they voted for Trump. Harris may be pro-Israel, but Trump is anti-almost everything else we stand for.

> how much of my Muslim community was so anti-Harris that they voted for Trump

I'm honestly split between pro-Palestinian Arab-American Trump voters and soybean-farming Trump voters as the stupidest voting blocks of 2024. Not only are you helping put someone in power who is so obviously going to work against your interests. You've also removed yourself from the other party's table where your issue might have gained priority down the road.

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Post by dotancohen »

Qem wrote: post #4
raxxorraxor wrote: post #3

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> The attack on Gaza’s largest fertility clinic destroyed thousands of embryos, sperm samples, and eggs. More info on that particular attack: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c15npnzpd08o

According to the article, nobody actually knows when the attack took place. And the BBC is assuming that it was an Israel attack, even though 1/3 to 1/6 of Hamas rockets fall back into Gaza - that is disingenuous. Furthermore, the single photograph of the clinic shows absolutely zero kinetic damage. How does an Israeli shell or bomb leave no kinetic damage? The Hamas rockets leave little to no kinetic damage as they are fuel-air bombs, not HE.

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Post by [deleted] »

GoatInGrey wrote: post #248
mandeepj wrote: post #228

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> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

People didn't flip to red so much as blue voters in swing states sitting on their hands and abstaining from voting. Now they're looking down the barrel of authoritarianism and they're still unwilling to vote unless Gaza is a fully solved problem. The cruel irony is that this behavior is worsening the situation in Gaza.

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Post by throwaway3060 »

abustamam wrote: post #350
mandeepj wrote: post #228

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> The videos coming out of Gaza have turned me and many others into single issue voters. Ironically, that was one of the biggest campaign points and voter sentiment on which people flipped to Red. We all know what happened.

Wait what happened? Was it that people who typically vote blue voted against those who supported Israel? As a Muslim and staunch supporter of Palestine, I didn't think that many people turned red because of this, at least not enough to swing the election. Wayne County, which has Dearborn Michigan (the city with the largest population proportionally of Muslims), stayed blue. I figured if Dearborn couldn't tip the scal…

The bigger factor was people staying home because they refused any compromise on the issue. For races that swing depending on turnout, this was enough to tip those races red. Hard to say whether this impacted the Presidential election, but it probably did affect some House and Senate races.
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