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Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

#351

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The EU law is fine, the implementation used isn't. But never blame the EU laws for cookie banners; the law does not mandate banners at all, let alone the ones full of dark patterns to nag you into accepting anyway. That's all the industry. The industry could have come up with a standard, a browser add-on, respect a browser setting, etc but they chose the most annoying one to pester you, the user.

The EU law isn't fine. Many websites are free because they survive from ads. Ads make more money if you collect data. The EU law essentially cut the revenue of all these websites. Their choice is to not collect data (meaning less revenue) or show a popup (meaning more bounce rate, which means less revenue). People who think this is a good thing are being short-sighted. That's because this law mainly affects websites…

> Many websites are free because they survive from ads. Ads make more money if you collect data.

My business is to get money out of other people's wallets and bank accounts. I could get make much money if you just logged into your bank account and approved transactions whenever I told you to, or screamed less whenever I took the wallet out of your pocket on my own.

That there's a way to earn more money does not justify it as legitimate thing to do, and if you can't figure out how to run a service in legitimate ways does not mean that illegitimate ways that attempt to violate its users in secret suddenly become okay.

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

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post #56

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What I mean is that if they don't add it, they're going to get threatening emails from regulators saying "Hey, you don't have a cookie banner". Those regulators don't have any way of knowing how their site operates, so the small banner at least manages to inform them and keep Posthog from receiving emails. That is what I meant by "practically". I mean "in a practical sense" as opposed to in a theoretical sense.

> they're going to get threatening emails from regulators saying "Hey, you don't have a cookie banner". That literally does not happen. What world do you live in? But just to entertain your scenario let's say that did happen: it still wouldn't matter because they could just reply and tell them why they don't need one...

They don't even have to reply, just make a note on your footer or something or have a page you can link to that explains it. I've done this before

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

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> Legally-required cookie banner > PostHog.com doesn't use third-party cookies, only a single in-house cookie You're legally required to let me opt out of that cookie. Unless it's essential to the site functionality, in which case you don't need the banner at all.

> You're legally required to let me opt out of that cookie. Unless it's essential to the site functionality, in which case you don't need the banner at all. Isn't it even simpler: Unless the cookie is used to track, you don't need the banner? For example, a cookie used to remember sort order would not require a cookie banner, I think. (It's not about cookies. It's about tracking.)

It's about being "essential" or not, not about tracking. Also keep in mind with enough preferences you could have unique or near-unique fingerprint of preferences which could be used for tracking.

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

#355
I think this is a terrible idea from a usability standpoint. Why reinvent windows in CSS? Desktop browsers can already open multiple pages in multiple windows. And it's all neatly integrated in my OS where I can use keyboard shortcuts to maximize, minimize, close, move windows, or place the windows on multiple monitors, etc.

It's as much a bad idea as websites trying to reinvent scrollbars. No thanks. I prefer to use my native windows and scrollbars.

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

#356
Usability and perf experience for me:

- I'm getting about 5 FPS scrolling on a M4 Pro

- Moving a "window" around takes 29% of my CPU, and renders at about 2 fps

- I'm losing about 40% of my screen height for reading (14" laptop screen). So much so none of the article is visible above the fold, just the title and by-line.

- My browser's CMD-F finds things on layers hidden under the current window

- Changing window size via corner drag is also selecting text on other windows, no prevent default.

- Xzibit says: Tabs are bad, so we put some tabs in your tabs?

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

#357
Oh god. It has a pleasant color scheme, but this is an awful idea. By trying to recreate windows and bookmarks in the web app you're at best just implementing redundant features and getting in the way of the native browser features by trying to showcase yours, at worst breaking regular web usage entirely.

Take their right click menu for items to select whether you want an in-app tab or real browser tab. Congrats, you've broken UX by making the native browser right-click menu unavailable on link items, and because you've only implemented this on some things most of your content is not deep linkable as navigation is a cursed in-app feature.

This is as usual a fun tech demo, but it should not be used for anything in the real world.

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

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post #271

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This sounds like an expensive solution to a marketing problem re. the product. And if one digs even further, perhaps an issue with your product line - the benefits of it aren't immediately presentable in a simplified way to the extent it is differentiated relative to the competitors.

Changing the product line to fit the marketing narrative sounds like putting the cart before the horse.

That is not what I said. But youre a CTO, so Im not surprised. Stick to your lane of expertise perhaps.

Re: Why our website looks like an operating system

#360
post #181

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Ads industry did that. Was it worth it?

The ads industry isn’t in the business of making our lives easier. EU lawmakers are. Which is why it’s the EU that is failing in its mission here.

So you know who “bad guys” are and you still make strawman argument?
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