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Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by ericmcer »

jaredklewis wrote: post #349
cycomanic wrote: post #76

> But the quality of MacBooks is just another level. I had 3 or 4 so far since 2010, and each of them held at least 5 years. Crazy good. When I read things like this it really sounds like there is some reality distortion field in the mac world. How is that anywhere special? I'm running a thinkpad X1 as my 2 main laptops (it was my only work machine until 2 years ago) and I never felt the need to replace it. It gave m…

IME I tend to get a new MacBook every five years or so just because I like new hardware, but none of my old MacBooks were anywhere near end of life after 5 years. One I gave to a relative was in use for around 13 years until it failed (but it was really abused so I actually think it was a good run). My wife’s MacBook Air is 12 years old and my wife doesn’t want a new one (though it would drive me crazy). No issues ye…

My gf uses my ~10yo air and it is amazing she can stand it.

Just website inefficiency creep has made older devices obsolete, I think it has around 4gb of Ram which Chrome can chew through with a few tabs open.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by anonzzzies »

cycomanic wrote: post #76

> But the quality of MacBooks is just another level. I had 3 or 4 so far since 2010, and each of them held at least 5 years. Crazy good. When I read things like this it really sounds like there is some reality distortion field in the mac world. How is that anywhere special? I'm running a thinkpad X1 as my 2 main laptops (it was my only work machine until 2 years ago) and I never felt the need to replace it. It gave m…

I like thinkpads and use my x220 from 2012 or what is it quite a lot. For my work, it beat my mbp 16' intel one I had in 2019 on just feeling faster (with Linux). But the apple silicon airs (for me airs: pros are just too bulky) ones are not beaten at the moment. And I try a lot as I really want to run Linux and not mac os x. But there is nothing better for many reasons (most mentioned here and yeah I could care less about the sound). I sponsor asahi linux for that reason. If Chinese vendors would be smart, they would open up whatever hardware they ship and get all geeks on board which pushes the rest. They are not though so for now, it's macbook airs for me. Hoping for Frame.work to get there though.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by mrj »

baq wrote: post #340
rjzzleep wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really Linux' fault. Most It's Microsoft that forced this, and most vendors don't know how to deal with this and work proper firmware. I think Framework and Valve fixed theirs. I have a GPD and just found out that the reason I kept getting it wake from sleep was some MS related option triggering an ACPI IRQ 9 sleep wake. On another note, I actually think that the most important things that work better on the…

As a user I don't care whose fault is it. I want my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid; I want it to stay asleep while the lid is closed; I want it to wake when I open the lid. Only macs seem to be able to do that consistently; I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but over the past decade I haven't found a counterexample yet.

I’ve never had a problem with a system76 or tuxedo computers laptop using suspend correctly. If you want it to just work, you may need to buy from a manufacturer who you pay to make it just work. Otherwise you’re comparing a dyi setup to Apple.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by JustExAWS »

LtWorf wrote: post #311
kiliancs wrote: post #265

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In my experience and my family's you are lucky if they last 3 years. If they last 5 years there's usually a subpar experience, e.g. they overheat significantly at 2 years. OTOH, we have a few macbooks > 10 years still working.

And macbooks aren't overheating? I've owned old macbooks… I got scalded by the metal screws on the bottom in the summer because apple thought looking sleek was more important than proper cooling.

ARM MacBooks aren’t overheating.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by PeterWhittaker »

abdullahkhalids wrote: post #67
rogerrogerr wrote: post #26

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Curious, what is it that doesn’t make sense?

I can't figure out how to set a shortcut that moves the current window to my other monitor. Always have to go into the toolbar to do it. Edit: And oh! Why do I constantly have to (painfully manually) maximize windows. Preview is constantly choosing a different size, for example. Why is this not remembered. I can't recall the last time an application in linux forgot its size after restarting.

Not at my Mac right now, but I've defined cmd-F[12] to move windows from one monitor to the other.

The trick is to capture the exact words you see in the Window menu, with the exact monitor name, and use those exact words when defining the keyboard shortcut.

A clunky PITA, but once setup, works like a charm.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by jayd16 »

cycomanic wrote: post #76

> But the quality of MacBooks is just another level. I had 3 or 4 so far since 2010, and each of them held at least 5 years. Crazy good. When I read things like this it really sounds like there is some reality distortion field in the mac world. How is that anywhere special? I'm running a thinkpad X1 as my 2 main laptops (it was my only work machine until 2 years ago) and I never felt the need to replace it. It gave m…

Fit and finish is good and Apple has been good at leveraging minimalist designs in premium materials. Even if a MacBook is very old, it's hard to say it looks or feels old.

And the real irony is past 5 years it drops off a cliff because of Intel Mac End of life.

Most people really don't care about tech specs for a daily driver. I mean, I love specs but my coffee table laptop is a Google Pixelbook (2017) with a metal body and ancient junk inside, but it still feels good to use.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by KerrAvon »

rjzzleep wrote: post #283
baq wrote: post #264

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Also add a very important feature of ‘lid is closed - the computer is asleep and it wakes up when lid opens’. Both windows and Linux are simply broken in that regard. What I need is Apple MacBook hardware with a 100% supported Linux OS. This combination simply doesn’t exist and there’s no amount of money to make it happen (yes I know about asahi.)

It's not really Linux' fault. Most It's Microsoft that forced this, and most vendors don't know how to deal with this and work proper firmware. I think Framework and Valve fixed theirs. I have a GPD and just found out that the reason I kept getting it wake from sleep was some MS related option triggering an ACPI IRQ 9 sleep wake. On another note, I actually think that the most important things that work better on the…

I think Intel is partially at fault. On Apple’s Intel hardware, suspend and resume worked, but it was very slow due to the weirdly baroque power management. The M1 MacBooks were a revelation; the screen woke instantly when you opened it.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by woleium »

rangestransform wrote: post #328
pjerem wrote: post #80

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I’d say it’s barely 3 things : - The trackpad (but other manufacturers now have tolerable alternatives and anyway you can work without it) - The screen : at an equivalent price point (and even more), nothing comes close to Apple screens. The cheapest MacBook have a better screen than most high end PCs. - The audio : Apple truly did some sorcery to get such an awesome sound from machines that are flat as sheet. It’s s…

The audio is magic because Apple overdrives their speakers by analyzing the signal to stay under the sustained power limit of the speaker, instead of clipping everything at the sustained power limit. https://forum.devtalk.com/t/a-reason-why-mac-speakers-sound-...

so someone could write an app for windows to do the same thing?

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by commandersaki »

baq wrote: post #340
rjzzleep wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not really Linux' fault. Most It's Microsoft that forced this, and most vendors don't know how to deal with this and work proper firmware. I think Framework and Valve fixed theirs. I have a GPD and just found out that the reason I kept getting it wake from sleep was some MS related option triggering an ACPI IRQ 9 sleep wake. On another note, I actually think that the most important things that work better on the…

As a user I don't care whose fault is it. I want my laptop to go to sleep when I close the lid; I want it to stay asleep while the lid is closed; I want it to wake when I open the lid. Only macs seem to be able to do that consistently; I'd be glad to be proven wrong, but over the past decade I haven't found a counterexample yet.

I don't think that's even true with my m3 mbp16. I haven't tweaked with the power settings but I'm pretty sure it is in a connected sleep state when I close the lid; at least when I'm hotspotting my phone will register it as a connected device.

Re: From M1 MacBook to Arch Linux: A month-long experiment that became permanenent

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Post by KerrAvon »

pxc wrote: post #287
breakfastduck wrote: post #234

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it does actually sound good

If you bought even a small bluetooth speaker that sounded the same as an MBP, you'd think "this thing kinda sucks... no bass, but at least it's small; what do you expect". Either that or you aren't someone who cares about sound (which is fine)

I’ll wager you have not listened to high-quality music or movies on a recent MacBook Pro. I’ve never heard a BT speaker of any size sound that good.

(The HomePod Mini sounds quality really sucks by comparison, FWIW.)

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