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Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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Post by dh2022 »

immibis wrote: post #288
dh2022 wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linking from right-wing organizations does not make the facts presented in the articles less true… you should critique the content of the articles, not their origin.

Brandolini's Law is relevant. If we havs to carefully point-by-point critique every point our opponent makes, while they get to use ChatGPT to write nonsense at fifty times human reading speed, we lose. To work around this, when a bullshit-producing organization is cited, it's proper to ask for an alternative citation from an organization that produces mostly non-bullshit. If it truly isn't bullshit content, there sh…

Except that in this particular case these were not bullshit articles. I had time to read them and I agree with them. You should read the articles before calling them names….

Re: Wikipedia loses challenge against Online Safety Act

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Post by righthand »

michaelt wrote: post #281
johnnyanmac wrote: post #220

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Why did they raise no one to replace them?

A lot of 1990s tech optimists thought that people with awful opinions were the unfortunate victims of a lack of access to books and education; and the strict gatekeeping of broadcast media by the powerful. This new multi-media technology was going to give everyone on the planet access to a complete free university education, thousands of books, and would prevent the likes of Chinese state-run media suppressing knowle…

I wouldn’t say that optimism and idealism are no longer fashionable, but instead that original optimism (however true) was blinded by it’s own lack of knowledge. We should still be perusing optimist/idealist outcomes but not the ones from another era.

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Post by codedokode »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #171

The Online Safety Act is a hideous piece of legislation. I hope Wikipedia block the UK. (I am a UK citizen).

Leaving the market never works - in Russia, once another Western site or app gets blocked, several local competitors instantly pop out. That's how the market works, there are always people hungry for money.

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Post by codedokode »

MattPalmer1086 wrote: post #209
slaymaker1907 wrote: post #185

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Act like an authoritarian regime, get treated like other authoritarian regimes.

For the record, I'm not actually against age verification for certain content. But it would have to be: 1) private - anonymous (don't know who is requesting access) and unlinkable (don't know if the same user makes repeated requests or is the same user on other services). 2) widely available and extremely easy to register and integrate. The current situation is that it's not easy, or private, or cheap to integrate. A…

Age verification should be done at the point of buying a laptop or a SIM card, the same way as when you buy alcohol. And there would be no need to send your ID to a company so that it ends up on the black market eventually.

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Post by zamadatix »

codedokode wrote: post #337

In Russia there is a plan to make special SIM cards for children, that would not allow registration in social networks. Isn't it better than UK legislation? The whole idea that every site or app must do verification is stupid. It would be much easier and better to do verification at the store when buying a laptop, a phone or a SIM card. The verification status can be burned in firmware memory, and the device would al…

The UK legislation extends beyond cellular access, as I'm sure Russia's does as well.

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Post by codedokode »

preisschild wrote: post #350
codedokode wrote: post #337

In Russia there is a plan to make special SIM cards for children, that would not allow registration in social networks. Isn't it better than UK legislation? The whole idea that every site or app must do verification is stupid. It would be much easier and better to do verification at the store when buying a laptop, a phone or a SIM card. The verification status can be burned in firmware memory, and the device would al…

> Isn't it better than UK legislation? Not at all, because SIM cards are bound to your real identity. So the government knows exactly which websites you visit.

I don't understand your comment, the government knows which sites you visit anyway because it can see the SNI field in HTTPS traffic.

The main point is that the verification is done on the device. The device has a digitally signed flag, saying whether it is owned by an adult user or not. And the OS on the device without the flag allows using only safe apps and websites sending a "Safe: yes" HTTP header. User doesn't need to send your ID to random companies, doesn't need to verify at every website, and website operators and app developers do not need do anything and do not need to do verification - they are banned from unverified devices by default. It is better for everyone.

Also, as I understand the main point of the Act is to allow removing the content the government doesn't like in a prompt manner, for which my proposal is not helpful at all.

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Post by [deleted] »

lupusreal wrote: post #263
abustamam wrote: post #248

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Out of curiosity, what makes you say that the majority of HN loves porn? I've seen a few random references to it but nothing that would indicate that HN loves porn any more than any other community loves porn.

He didn't say the majority of HN loves porn. He said that male demographic likes porn more than any other, and that demographic is the majority of HN. It doesn't logically follow that the majority of HN supports porn. Fake statistics just to illustrate the difference. Males 18-40 support porn at 60%, which is higher than any other demographic. HN is 60% males 18-40. With these numbers, 36% of HN is males 18-40 who su…

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Post by Mogzol »

bravesoul2 wrote: post #344
marcosdumay wrote: post #338

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That's what 451 means. It's "user error, you are trying to access the site from some dystopian society that prohibits it".

Yeah but I want to know if I should submit, protest or revolt. I need more codes :)

451 is such a good reference though, other codes just wouldn't be the same :(

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Post by Lerc »

lazide wrote: post #340
Lerc wrote: post #327

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I live in a country where 91.78% of the population voted for a referendum that bought back hard labour in prisons. As one of the few who voted against it I have yet to encounter a single person who voted for it who both supports hard labour and realised that was in the question being asked.

Let me guess - ‘do you support violent prisoners being given work in proportion to their crimes’ or something similar?

Oh far more deceptive than that.

"Should there be a reform of our justice system placing greater emphasis on the needs of victims, providing restitution and compensation for them and imposing minimum sentences and hard labour for all serious violent offenses?"

Now let's play tldr with the law!

Luckily it was non binding and stands forever as an argument against binding referendums.

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