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Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by krylon »

thiht wrote: post #317
krylon wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One sits in my bathroom so I can browse random Wikipedia articles while I'm, uh, busy. The other one sits on my nightstand and plays audiobooks/podcasts when I'm going to sleep. So nothing critical. But something they are still good at, and being very small makes them a natural fit for these use cases.

Curious, why not use your phone for both these use cases? Seems like it would be even more convenient

I do use the phone for audible, but I started both uses before I had a smart phone (I was very late to the game), and I am a creature of habit. Plus the netbook has a bigger display, more storage, and a real keyboard (again, creature of habit).

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by gradschool »

ACS_Solver wrote: post #25

Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…

> I've never had a Debian system break without it being my fault in some way.

My experience has been contrary to that. I'm a Linux user of 25+ years with various distros but about half of that time with Debian as my main desktop. I broke up with Debian about ten years ago thinking we could still be friends, but every time I've tried to put it on a new box it since then something weird has happened, most recently about a month ago on a completely new Intel N150, when it gave me some stick about video modes. Today my laptop got hosed by an attempted upgrade from bookworm to trixie, as in tons of error messages and then no more docker and no more virtualbox. No harm done because Debian taught me long ago to store a copy of the whole root filesystem on external media before an upgrade, but now the clock is ticking until I have to migrate off it or get stuck with something too old to be compatible with anything.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by Arrowmaster »

doublepg23 wrote: post #90
zvmaz wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?

I forget the exact context but I recall an Ubuntu dev stating they have more users of the Firefox snap alone than trendy distros have entire users. I think it’s worth keeping that in mind with all the hate Ubuntu gets. Most users are just silently getting their work done on an LTS they update every two years.

They have also had more malware on the snap store than all other distros have had in their official repos combined.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by 2b3a51 »

jama211 wrote: post #254
LoveMortuus wrote: post #252

I'm very sad to see them drop support for 32-bit, since that is the computer on which I have been using Debian for the past 10 years... Does anyone have any suggestions for a 32-bit distro that's still being updated?

Linux mint technically still does, perhaps because they’re lagging behind Debian. AntiX does but that has its own tradeoffs. With full potential respect for your situation, if you’re not able to obtain 64 bit hardware, there’s nothing that wrong with not upgrading your OS for now

Bookworm will get updates for another year if I have read the Debian Wiki correctly so perhaps there is no need for immediate action as Bookworm becomes oldstable?

In addition to Mint and AntiX there is also Slackware (I use xfce rather than KDE) but adding software outside the (large) base install is not an 'apt-get thing' process.

Salix Linux, based on Slackware, does have package repositories with a reasonable selection of applications. Salix is based on the stable Slackware 15.0 so has nicely aged packages.

Void Linux also has an xfce4 based live i686 iso you can look at and decide to install from.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by chupasaurus »

pss314 wrote: post #137

A new APT sources format "debian.sources" is announced with trixie. The now older "sources.list" format is still supported, but is likely to be deprecated in a future Debian release. See below: APT is moving to a different format for configuring where it downloads packages from. The files /etc/apt/sources.list and *.list files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ are replaced by files still in that directory but with names en…

It was announced in 2015 with apt 1.1 which was a major change of configuration, different things from it are being enforced each release since.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by bobmcnamara »

KennyBlanken wrote: post #169
3eb7988a1663 wrote: post #56

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To what end? Outside of sheer nostalgia if you are running ancient hardware, you probably have a bespoke application which requires that environment. Either you cannot change for hard technical, compliance, or just fear of the unknown. Firewall it from the internet and continue to run whatever release last worked. I am not happy about unnecessary ewaste, but an i386 almost certainly has and order of magnitude less ho…

According to Passmark the Pentinum 4 1.3Ghz is 55 times slower than a Raspberry Pi 5, so I'd guess it's at least two orders of magnitude. The original Pi is 16 times faster than a P4 1.3Ghz... You can recycle e-waste (and yes, I know SOME e-waste ends up in China/India/etc. Not all does.) The e-waste is of substantially less concern than the massive difference in carbon footprint from power consumption.

> The original Pi is 16 times faster than a P4 1.3Ghz...

It isn't. Had both.

~700MHz mostly in-order ARM 11 without SIMD. Worked with these a lot.

..vs..

1.3GHz out-of-order with SIMD

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by jraph »

StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #344
binwiederhier wrote: post #30

Thank you to all the Debian volunteers that make Debian and all its derivatives possible. It's remarkable how many people and businesses have been enabled by your work. Thank you! On a personal note, Trixie is very exciting for me because my side project, ntfy [1], was packaged [2] and is now included in Trixie. I only learned about the fact that it was included very late in cycle when the package maintainer asked fo…

> As a result the Debian-ized version of ntfy doesn't contain a web app (which is a reaaal bummer), and has a few things "patched out" (which is fine). My advise to you is to deny all support from people using the Debian version of your software and automatically close all bug tickets from Debian saying you don’t support externally patched software. You would be far from the first to do so and it’s a completely ratio…

I agree that maintainers should not be expected to support patched versions of their software, but as a user I like the Debian policies you call insane. I would actually pick Debian exactly because they are cautious with the dependencies.

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by torium »

Ooo la la, GnuCash 5.10. I'm still on 4.4.

Can't find release notes though, help?

I've found the docs, but they're huge. I'll looking specifically for a list of differences between 4.4 and 5.10. (Or at least the biggest differences)

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Post by dismalaf »

npteljes wrote: post #284
dismalaf wrote: post #155

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Canonical doesn't force anyone to use anything. Snap is open source, just modify it to use a different store if you want. Mint literally forked a zombie DE, but changing a few lines of code in snap is an issue...

Defaults matter a lot, snap is not open source (client is, backend isn't), you cannot "just modify it (Ubuntu)" to use a different store, because Ubuntu installs snaps even with apt. Mint is not part of the discussion.

> Mint is not part of the discussion.

Read the parent comment I responded to

Re: Debian 13 “Trixie”

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Post by Paianni »

kasabali wrote: post #342
Paianni wrote: post #328

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I don't like GNOME's engineering or license, but as far as the UI and design are concerned I don't think anyone has topped it (minus the hot corner I guess).

Meh, it looks pretty in screenshots but it's a huge waste of screen space in the end.

I suppose 'power-users' can put up with 'small-button' GUIs but I do think a general purpose GUI needs to be easy to use for people who aren't used to controlling mice and keyboards all the time.
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