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Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I thought these couldn't possibly be right and you must be including their storage and cache usage, but I'm seeing similar reported on my iPhone. Rounded to the nearest megabyte. Gmail: 612mb Facebook: 359mb YouTube: 303mb Amex: 365mb I'm still skeptical (or just hopeful?) that there's some storage accounting bug here, and it's including caches. I'm not in a place to plug it into Xcode right now, maybe someone else c…

Amex being 300mb is genuinely hilarious. What does that app even do?

Probably doing CHIA in the background. ;)

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I was a heavy Quora user from 2014 to 2019 with fairly many answers and questions. In 2019 they essentially blocked website for mobile users and urged them to download the app. That's when I decided to respect my dignity and deleted my account.

If you have a website, everyone with a browser should be able to use it.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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The 3rd party Reddit apps made an effort to be more 'native', and actually used native UI elements to make rendering and interactions faster than the web page could. WAAAAAY too often the 1st party native app is exactly what the other poster said: a browser context with access to some local native API's in order to hoover more data about the user. It is rare that a first-party app actually has some effort put into it…

I think the parent's point was that an app for reddit only makes sense because they deliberately don't add the features you like to the mobile site. There's no reason those features couldn't work perfectly well in a browser, they just choose not to (and to kill off third party apps).

If Figma runs perfectly well in a web browser, Reddit can do the same. It was built for and evolved almost entirely within the browser, like many other Internet forums. Pure data grab.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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Don’t agree, but to each their own. The native app experience for every app noted in the article is better and smoother than the mobile web version, in my opinion. Lots of people hate Electron apps, which suggests to me that my preference for native apps isn’t unique. Web apps can ask for your location or microphone the same way native apps can. Just reject it, there’s nothing that says you have to accept on either p…

The reason I believe the web experience is inferior is because companies put more resources into apps at the expense of the web. Apps break often. They need a lot of support. Everything must be constantly updated. You never know when Samsung or Apple will push an update that breaks things because of some esoteric policy shift or setting change. But the web? If you do it right, maintenence is much easier. If things do…

I feel like many web developers want this to be true, but it is categorically false.

When you target a higher level abstraction, be it web, or flutter or whatever, you are explicitly choosing not to follow the platform native UX.

It’s more convenient to developers not to have to worry about that.

That’s it.

Web is easy. It’s free.

That doesn’t mean it’s better, or that it’s even possible for it to be as good as a native experience.

You can make a web app that is good; but it is the unavoidable and undeniable reality that web applications have a glass ceiling.

It is. Not. Possible. to write a web app that is as good as the equivalent native application can be. Certainly not a cross browser one.

There are reasons, you can blame Apple and safari or whatever you want, but that’s where it’s at, today.

> The reason I believe the web experience is inferior is because companies put more resources into apps at the expense of the web.

It’s not a falsifiable argument.

“That is not as good because I believe less effort was put into it”.

Ok.

I believe that for the equivalent effort you could create a better web app than a native app. I think you could measure that, and it would be pretty clear.

However, I believe many large native applications could not be implemented using the web platform. I think react native and the disaster that is is a reasonably solid proof that this is true.

They’re worse because web is worse, not because they didn’t bother to put effort in; because it wasn’t possible to do it using the web platform.

Native is always better if you out the effort in. It has capabilities that web doesn’t.

It is impossible for it not to be better.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I don't offer a native app for my business. We have a PWA. It works great on mobile. Yet users keep asking for an app. They're so conditioned to look in the app store now. I keep having to tell them to just pin the website to their desktop. Just a couple taps. All good. I don't need or want their data. It's a liability. They pay a monthly subscription. I want their money. Not their data.

Why not create a simple app with a webview so your users are happy? I can't imagine that would take more than a couple hours of work. Google can be burdensome but that's only if you require things like payment and data collection in the app which a webview doesn't need. Otherwise, it's probably less than an hour of work per year to maintain.

iOS app store would reject an app like this, according to their guidelines. At least Google allows you to put PWA as apps in the Play store

https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#min...

4.2 Minimum Functionality

Your app should include features, content, and UI that elevate it beyond a repackaged website.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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How do you hold users hostage without providing them value?

Nostalgia, network effects, and boiling thr frog. Then you build on that with business incentives; you may not like Facebook, but you need to advertise there because that's where everyone is. Basically, you rely on goodwill from yester-year and slowly ad in intrusive stuff that users adjust to. Thars enshittification in its raw essence. Admittedly, this mostly works because the general user is not "active" and will n…

It is both mysterious and comical how we manage to enshitify every corner of our existence. I can't think of anything unrubbed with the magic poop wand.

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I have never liked notifications on iOS so I can't say for sure but I do know that on Android it's been possible to disable certain types of notifications or demote the urgency for at least 5 years now. Whether or not most people are aware of this ability is another question, I guess.

I get almost zero notifications on iOS, you can just disable them. There are a couple exceptions but they are high-signal and business purpose.

> I get almost zero notifications on iOS, you can just disable them. There are a couple exceptions but they are high-signal and business purpose.

The one that gets me is Uber. For several minutes a month while traveling, I really want their notifications. But once a day when I don't, they use it to send advertisements for services I can't even use (no Uber or Uber Eats service where I live). I used to turn off notifications the first ad I got after getting home (usually within a day), but then realized it's easier just to delete the app each time. And if Lyft hasn't advertised at me by the next time I'm traveling, and they're still installed, well, they're the ones getting my dollars, since who has time to download an app each use?

Re: Do not download the app, use the website

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I cannot agree more and this has always been a pet peeve of mine. Most native apps are some half gig large where even the heaviest website is a few mb. They dont let you highlight text and have other bizarre design choices. Even worse, they request importing contacts list which isnt even an option on the web. Native apps could be butter but more often than not they are like margarine. Smooth, oily, and not good for y…

It's such a basic interaction, yet so many apps disable it
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