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Tour de France confronts a new threat: Are cyclists using tiny motors?

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Drafting’s a factor on many climbs at the crazy speeds they achieve, and it can be enough of a benefit for a slightly slower rider to keep up with a slightly faster one. That’s why it’s rare that people ride away from others on a climb without an attack to break the draft. A few hundred extra watts for a few seconds could be the difference between a failed attack and a stellar attack, then allowing the attacking ride…

You're forgetting all the unsuccessful attacks where the attacker is simply swallowed back by a faster pace of the racers left behind by the attack. I can see situation advantage for a very strong, title contending, competitor, but honestly that sounds too niche to be really useful. Also: > That’s why it’s rare that people ride away from others on a climb without an attack to break the draft. Did you watch Tour de Fr…

Pog's a special case. :)

I'm thinking more of a breakaway situation - a group of roughly equivalent riders, all knackered after a hard day in the breakaway, all vying for the stage win. If someone gets a gap, 90% of the time 'group two mentality' takes over and they don't organise a successful chase. Giving one of those riders an extra boost of watts for a few seconds for that attack could make all of the difference.

You're right that it won't always work, but these things are a numbers game - most of the time, breakaways are swallowed up, and even when a breakaway rider wins, (obvs) the rest of them don't win. And yet people still join the breakaway, to try to realise that tiny% chance of winning. Going from 5% to 10% win probability isn't much overall, but it's still doubling your chance.

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i don't know if braking performance is the main reason for disk brakes. I suspect the biggest benefit is bike makers get to sell new bikes to people who don't need new bikes. For professional riders who don't buy their own bikes, it's probably more about areo, and maybe weight, as the rims don't need a braking surface. They have more creativity with the shape and material. They only brake for emergencies and going in…

Aero matters a lot, even for enthusiastic amateurs. You're spot on about wheel shape being more flexible with disc brakes vs. rim. Materials matter here, too -- early carbon wheels were crap at stopping vs alloy because the rim brake tracks were iffy on the carbon, and if you let them get too hot on a descent you'd ruin the wheel. But carbon wheels are an ENORMOUS upgrade over alloy in terms of weight, and in terms o…

Aero doesn’t really matter until you are riding at like 25+ mph. Internal cables are like a couple watt reduction at high speeds. Sure it matters for pros when a race is determined by seconds or less and that makes or breaks your career. For commuters and people riding for fitness though? Absolutely not. If you are riding for fitness wouldn’t you actually want a bike with more drag like all those people running with weighted vests and parachutes?

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Well someone who isn’t a pro cyclist doesn’t care about pacetime rides. I commute. 11-28 is fine on 8 speed. If I am out of gear I shift or pedal faster or slower. Not a huge ask. My chains are also like $10 and don’t stretch for years. Electronic shifting I see as a con. Di2 at least is not serviceable and reaches an end of life. I am not as familiar with sram but I assume its the same. Either way just yet another o…

>Well someone who isn’t a pro cyclist doesn’t care about pacetime rides. You have a very narrow view of cycling, I think. Plenty of amateurs do fast paceline riding. It's a huge part of the hobby.

Sure. And they did that just fine on 8spd too when that was the dura ace option. Either way people aren’t really buying straight blocks. They are buying like 11-36. And probably don’t use the 11.

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There's a famously old accusation against Lance Armstrong https://telegrafi.com/en/keshtu-funksionon-motori-vogel-per-... The video of him reaching behind his seat is interesting I guess.

I mean if I was blood doping and had tons of scrutiny leveled at me I would definitely try some easy misdirection.

Get accused of mechanical doping, have them waste all this time going after it, you look clean and your accusers lose credibility.

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