Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic • Hacker News Board

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by RamblingCTO » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 3:15 PM UTC

mort96 wrote: post #346

RamblingCTO wrote: post #329

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not necessarily, no. if you have 60% of examples for silence being the hallucination, it just learns the (what you detect as) wrong connection.

Which ... would be overfitting. It picks up on a pattern in the training data that we don't want it to pick up on and which causes it to generalize poorly.

How is it overfitting if the data is garbage in the first place? Saying it's overfitting in this context has no meaning as there is no alternative that maximizes the utility function we're training for?

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by bobbydabutt » Fri, Jul 25, 2025, 8:17 PM UTC

undersuit wrote: post #293

Oras wrote: post #120

Searching Google for older posts, found many DailyMotion links for translated movies in Arabic with "ترجمة نانسي قنقر". I suspected as others mentioned, these were extracted from torrents movies.

All my Google searches for Oracle support pages have been labelled with 'الموارد البشرية والتنمية الاجتماعية ' which translates to 'Human Resources and Social Development' for a few months now. Wonder how much this is related.

I'm getting this too with google searches for Oracle DocID. Very strange, been happening for weeks.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by brookst » Sat, Jul 26, 2025, 1:54 PM UTC

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #307

brookst wrote: post #296

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> Either prosecute copyright infringement or don't This is the absolute core of the issue. Technical people see law as code, where context can be disregarded and all that matters is specifying the outputs for a given set of inputs. But law doesn’t work that way, and it should not work that way. Context matters, and it needs to. If you go down the road of “the law is the law and billion dollar companies working on pro…

Pretty funny that your argument boils down to: It's okay to break the law if you do it as a company. Copyright laws target everyone. SEC laws don't.

Not sure if I was unclear or you’re disingenuous. But that is not at all what I said.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by andrewshadura » Thu, Jul 31, 2025, 7:03 AM UTC

the_af wrote: post #170

indrora wrote: post #130

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When YouTube began building automatic transcriptions for captions, it regularly flagged any noise or music -- typically industrial noise -- with "[foreign]" If it couldn't understand it, it was "foreign" for the longest time.

Hey, Netflix occasionally still puts in its English subtitles "[foreign music]", it always cracks me up.

[laughs in Japanese]