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Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by motorest »

Walf wrote: post #167
Aurornis wrote: post #101

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> - if you give people the chance to place a label on themselves to give a name/form to a problem, they’ll take it. This one is widespread among the young people I’ve worked with recently. It’s remarkable how I can identify the current TikTok self diagnosis trends without ever watching TikTok. There’s a widespread belief that once you put a label on a problem, other people are not allowed to criticize you for it. Man…

I'm sure there are those who self-diagnose without really suffering from a condition, but you do realise time blindness is a real issue, right? https://www.simplypsychology.org/adhd-time-blindness.html I don't watch TikTok videos, I don't use Instagram, but I have been plagued by these symptoms my entire life, and don't really care about others opinions on it. You probably don't have it if those symptoms don't resona…

> Im sure there are those who self-diagnose without really suffering from a condition, but you do realise time blindness is a real issue, right?

So is Munchausen syndrome, but somehow people don't self diagnose that one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Factitious_disorder_imposed_on...

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by bevesce- »

nradov wrote: post #322
KolibriFly wrote: post #313

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Yeah, calling depression a "disorder" sometimes misses the point entirely when despair is a logical response to how things are

Cheer up! For the average HN user, things are better now than they ever have been in human history.

Why is that a reason to cheer up? When I think about it, I’m miserable most of the time—and knowing that life was even worse for most people throughout history only makes me feel sadder.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by motorest »

Walf wrote: post #234
marsten wrote: post #227

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The problem isn't that time blindness is a fake issue. The problem is that many people incorrectly self-diagnose as suffering from conditions like time blindness. Which they do for a variety of reasons: To externalize accountability for why they're late, to feel special, and so on. A comparison is the large number of people who claim "gluten sensitivity" and maintain special diets. Now there are serious medical condi…

That's half my point, which is why I lead with agreement on that very problem, i.e. people self-diagnosing when they shouldn't. The top-level comment seems to attribute all such people who identify with those symptoms as doing so because of a trend.

> The top-level comment seems to attribute all such people who identify with those symptoms as doing so because of a trend.

I think the only source of disagreement is in the way you chose to frame it in absolutes, i.e., "all such people" instead of "people".

Framing anything in absolutes counts as a strawman argument, because all you need to do to refute it is find a single case, no matter how isolated it is, where it doesn't apply.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by rikroots »

vladms wrote: post #318
rikroots wrote: post #295

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When I first discovered that I suffered from a "new" condition called Prosopagnosia - by means of an online "Are you face blind?" test - everything about my life suddenly fell into place. It was a liberating self-diagnosis which gave me permission to admit that it was some small malformations in my brain that were the cause of my troubles, not some selfish malformations in my personality and social skills. Of course…

Glad it somehow worked out for you. I find it very sad though that you felt somehow "guilty" (based on "selfish malformations in my personality and social skills"), which I would see as a toxic society pressure. Not sure how, since as long as I can remember I thought all people are different, so it's just about finding some that you like and that can also accept you. I don't want to force my quirks and preferences on…

Developmental prosopagnosia wasn't recognised as a "thing" before the late 2000s. Before that, everybody assumed that being able to recognise someone was just something everyone, well, did. Failure to recognise a friend or relative in the street was seen as an affront, or a deliberate snub. Failure to recognise famous people in films or on the TV was something to be ridiculed. Prosopagnosiacs quickly learn coping strategies growing up in such a world, but those recognition mechanisms are significantly slower: they don't solve the problem.

It is amazing how upset even the most decent and understanding of people can get when they feel you've slighted them in some way. Having someone (you like/respect/love/etc) screaming abuse at you in the middle of the street because you failed to respond to their greeting, because you didn't recognise them and realise they were saying hello specifically to you ... is humiliating. Not knowing why this situation was happening on a regular basis - can you blame me for thinking that it was my fault? That I wasn't a reasonable, decent person? That the things being screamed in my face were accurate?

Hence my relief when discovering there was a label for my condition. Though, sadly, no cure.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by bigDinosaur »

Fluorescence wrote: post #314
bigDinosaur wrote: post #137

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How does a TBI kill someone 15 years later? Do you mean that it caused a suicide or was it a physiological sequela?

It can mean they suffered serious health problems for 15 years until a particularly bad seizure or some such took them. TBI can cause long-term conditions like epilepsy, physical disability, organ dysfunction, sleep problems etc. I was very struck reading about about a mass-shooting "survivor" dying 20 years later and it being considered a murder. It sounded wrong but when reading the account of the terrible health p…

That makes sense. I naively assumed that if someone had survived ~15 years they would more or less be likely to live as long as anyone else, but on reflection there's no real reason to believe such a positive thing.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by machinawhite »

nradov wrote: post #288
molochai wrote: post #229

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JAN[1] says "time management" is a disability (limitation, in their words) that requires accommodation. [1] https://askjan.org/limitations/Managing-Time.cfm?csSearch=10...

Employers only have to provide accommodations for actual diagnosed disabilities. And even then legally required accommodations only have to be reasonable . If the job fundamentally requires showing up for meetings and completing assignments on schedule then employers don't need to allow disabled employees to be late.

AHDH is an actual diagnosed disability. If I have to take meds that would leave you tweaking for 3 days then employers better allow me being late sometimes.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

Aurornis wrote: post #101
parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

> - if you give people the chance to place a label on themselves to give a name/form to a problem, they’ll take it. This one is widespread among the young people I’ve worked with recently. It’s remarkable how I can identify the current TikTok self diagnosis trends without ever watching TikTok. There’s a widespread belief that once you put a label on a problem, other people are not allowed to criticize you for it. Man…

This has been the worst thing about my experiences on Threads. A lot of people make what they - and the US mainstream, apparently - defines as a heterodox personality their entire sense of self. So almost everyone is some combination of queer, "neurospicy", a witch, "creative", and so on.

This often seems to come with some assumption of moral superiority.

But under the label many of them are absolutely mainstream people. Their posts aren't genuine spontaneous comments - they're calibrated and calculated as a marketing exercise for "engagement" and to promote a product, course, Insta lifestyle, and so on.

I realise it's tough out there and everyone has to hustle. But there really aren't many who acknowledge the gulf between the vocabulary of rebellion from the reality of "Please buy my course on how to be anticapitalist." (Actual example - not made up.)

If I looked I imagine I'd find a mirror image of hustle conformity and superiority culture on far right boards, only more so.

It's all quite weirdly Social Media™.

Edit: to add, I'm not criticising specific subgroups. I'm very aware the US is a dangerous place and being certain kinds of person significantly decreases your life expectancy.

It's more how social media has somehow distorted the online experience of those subgroups away from straightforward human exchange into commercial opportunity without people being aware of it.

Re: Nobody has a personality anymore: we are products with labels

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Post by seethedeaduu »

parpfish wrote: post #63

Decades ago in my first abnormal psych course, the prof warned us that there was an almost iron-clad law that students will immediately start self diagnosing themselves with “weak” versions of every disorder we learn about. In my years since then, it has absolutely held true and now is supercharged by a whole industry of TikTok self-diagnoses. But there are a few things we can learn from this: - if you give people th…

The "tiktok self diagnosis" thing is more like a moral panic. It is not really an attempt to feel unique and healthcare professionals would do a lot of good to their patients if they understood this.
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