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Re: Samsung embeds IronSource spyware app on phones across WANA

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Post by gruez »

exe34 wrote: post #337
gruez wrote: post #324

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>>Brother you cannot be serious with this racist take >There are many ethnicities in China, people of all genetic backgrounds. It is the culture that is the problem, not the race. This just seems like nitpicking to me. Colloquially most people would classify discrimination based on country of origin, or "culture" (whatever that means) as racism, even if it doesn't meet the technical definition. For instance Trump's t…

Just because most people are wrong doesn't mean we should encourage the dilution of words.

I might be sympathetic to this argument if the severity actually differed, eg. people calling mean tweets "violence" or something, but that's not what's happening there. I don't see any meaningfully difference between "I'm discriminating against you because you're Chinese" (culture/nationality) and "I'm discriminating you're Han Chinese" (ethnicity). I doubt the average racist actually knows the distinction between the two anyways, and I doubt people are going to be like "oh you're discriminating based on culture instead of ethnicity? I guess that's fine then!".

Re: Samsung embeds IronSource spyware app on phones across WANA

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Post by hilbert42 »

makeitdouble wrote: post #301
hilbert42 wrote: post #256

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I've never had to license hardware I've bought, only software. There's no way I do so.

I'm not saying it's a good thing. But we shouldn't hide from the fact that door has been opened and I see no practical reason we won't see more of it. The minute Apple sees a clear path to get away with it, iPhone will essentially become licensed devices. Then other phone makers will jump through the opening, at some point it becomes the standard, and we'll laugh at the "voting with your wallet" joke again. > softwar…

This can end in several ways, users and third-party repairers will reverse-engineer phones encryption notwithstanding—simply remove the 'offending' chips and replace tbem with open tech.

To say it's unlawful is moot. Apple may have jurisdiction in the US but not across the globe, there are plenty of places I can think of to send an iPhone to have it fixed the way I want (and I'd do so the moment that market is established). There's no way Apple can police what people do with their hardware once it's in their hands, it's fanciful to think otherwise.

Open hardware is on the move, eventually considerably cheaper open products will become popular just on price alone. Competition will then be fierce, Apple will have to change its policies if changes to laws don't beat them to it. Remember also the US isn't the whole world, so those changes are likely to be enacted first outside the US. If Apple wants to sell there then it'll have to comply with those laws just as it did with USB-C in Europe.

Also keep in mind Apple, Google, Microsoft etc. have become the richest and fastest growing corporations in human history—they even beat out the previous contenders the Dutch and British East India Companies of the 17th and 18th Centuries.

These corporations became so rich so quickly because of a confluence of circumstances—the new tech paradigm of the personal computer, the wow factor that took the world by storm and a compete lack of regulations worldwide. Without regulations to keep these corporations in check they simply ran amuck.

That's now over. Yes, it will be some while before they're brought to heel but they'll never get such a straight run again.

Apple is on top now but let's see where it'll be in 20 years.

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Post by newdee »

sitzkrieg wrote: post #68
Gigachad wrote: post #18

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Samsung phones have been filled with preinstalled spyware since the beginning. Outside of fairly unusable Linux phones, Apple seems to be the only one taking privacy seriously.

apple privacy is marketing but ok

All marketing? None of it is real? Citation?

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Post by gmueckl »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #327
gmueckl wrote: post #193

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4. Apps with special security needs are allowed to detect whether a device is unlocked and can either disable themselves or go into a mode that shifts ALL related liability onto the user. It's not the bank's fault if the user disabled protections and some spyware logs the online banking password or something like that.

My bank app refuses to work on LineageOS, but I can use the web interface just fine which has the exact same UI and functionality as the app. In both the native app and the web app I have to authorize any transactions using my national ID, which for me is a hardware token (the app for my national ID also refuses to run). Why is it somehow insecure to initiate this flow from a native app on LineageOS while it is not i…

A hardware device that doesn't confirm transaction details on its own locked down display enables man in the middle attacks. I have to use such devices with my bank card when banking online.

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Post by ashirviskas »

charcircuit wrote: post #31
hysan wrote: post #14

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> "unremovable" > you can't completely remove it Maybe my English isn’t very good but that sounds like the definition of unremovable.

It's in a read only filesystem. You can't modify read only data, but you can choose to ignore it.

Only because it is mounted as one. It is like saying that you can't have your house in pink because it is green.

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Post by gmueckl »

ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #285
Zak wrote: post #219

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I'm pretty sure I'm against this. I could be convinced otherwise by documentation of significant fraud involving compromised devices (especially Android phones) that would have been stopped by a device attestation scheme. I should note Google has such an attestation scheme, and there are reliable defeats for it in most situations given root access. Apps have been able to insist on hardware-backed attestation which ha…

Also, online banking has been a thing for so long on PCs which never had that kind of remote attestation. I also do not believe the security argument, but I believe that the banks believe it.

Online banking doesn't need remote attestation. Some additional locked down hardware with its own minimal display is enough. My banks force me to use devices like those made by Kobil or ReinerSCT.

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Post by computerthings »

kragen wrote: post #323
bostik wrote: post #309

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> 30 milligrams of high explosive is enough to open your daughter's skull, or, more relevantly, your commanding officer's daughter's skull, and there are a thousand ways to deliver it While we are talking about flying drones, we are not far off from Slaughterbots becoming reality.[0] Why bother with surgical assassinations if you can blanket entire regions with with swarms of autonomous seek-and-destroy explosives? A…

Slaughterbots is just the beginning; it's definitely too late to prevent that scenario now. Why bother? For the same reason to bother with surgical assassinations if you can blanket entire regions with nuclear fireballs. Radioactive wastelands are unprofitable! This is a general problem with genocide: it only gets you land, and since the Green Revolution land is abundant. Protection rackets, on the otehr hand, are hi…

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Post by godelski »

bostik wrote: post #309
kragen wrote: post #303

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That's wishful thinking. Flying drones aren't the only threat, or the main threat, and there isn't such a thing as "counter-UAS tech", only counter-yesterday's-UAS tech. Radio jamming was "counter-UAS tech" until the mass production of fiber-optic-controlled FPV drones starting five months ago, for example. You can still find vendors marketing it as such. 30 milligrams of high explosive is enough to open your daughte…

> 30 milligrams of high explosive is enough to open your daughter's skull, or, more relevantly, your commanding officer's daughter's skull, and there are a thousand ways to deliver it While we are talking about flying drones, we are not far off from Slaughterbots becoming reality.[0] Why bother with surgical assassinations if you can blanket entire regions with with swarms of autonomous seek-and-destroy explosives? A…

What's important to remember is that we get to Slaughterbots with "best intentions." Trying to feel safer. Trying to kill our enemies. Trying to protect our friends, families, children. Little by little is how it happens. The road to hell is paved, after all.

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Post by exe34 »

gruez wrote: post #351
exe34 wrote: post #337

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Just because most people are wrong doesn't mean we should encourage the dilution of words.

I might be sympathetic to this argument if the severity actually differed, eg. people calling mean tweets "violence" or something, but that's not what's happening there. I don't see any meaningfully difference between "I'm discriminating against you because you're Chinese" (culture/nationality) and "I'm discriminating you're Han Chinese" (ethnicity). I doubt the average racist actually knows the distinction between t…

> I don't see any meaningfully difference between "I'm discriminating against you because you're Chinese" (culture/nationality) and "I'm discriminating you're Han Chinese" (ethnicity).

It's interesting you would write this as if nobody's pointed out actual cultural differences yet.

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Post by makeitdouble »

Zak wrote: post #243
makeitdouble wrote: post #20

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> Galaxy Note fiasco Has any smartphone maker succeeded in getting more than a few percent of market share, released more that 2 phones while being immune to that level of fiasco ?

Yes. I have never been asked "do you have any weapons, explosives or [phone model]?" before boarding an airplane about any other phone, ever. There have been other phones that had very occasional battery fires, but nothing on remotely the same level.

On the other side Apple dealt with the BatteryGate of 2017 and Google paid back all remaining users of the Pixel 4a.

Each of these is also unique and unseen ever before for a phone.

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