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Being fat is a trap

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Re: Being fat is a trap

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Of course it's your "fault", obviously. But why do you think so many people are so messed up then?

Like let's say all of a sudden wolves started getting super obese. What happened to wolves that they evolved for millions of years just fine, and then whoop all of a sudden they were all diabetic and obese?

Wolves know nothing about the horrible consequences of being fat. Most people do.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Here we go again.

This post clearly comes from a place of personal reflection and empathy, but it contains several outdated and overly simplistic assumptions about body weight, health, and the nature of long-term weight regulation. While the author emphasizes that they’re not judging others, their framing of being “fat” as a “trap” reinforces a medicalized and moralized view of weight that doesn’t align with what we now understand from current research. Body fat is not inherently unhealthy; what matters far more are metabolic indicators, lifestyle, and psychological well-being. The notion that health can be reduced to a body fat percentage (10–20% for men, 15–25% for women) has been widely challenged by longitudinal studies showing that people classified as overweight by BMI often live as long—or longer—than those in the “normal” range.

The author writes as though sustained weight loss is a matter of difficult but straightforward lifestyle choices—sleep better, move more, eat clean. However, we now know that long-term weight regulation is biologically defended by the body. After weight loss, metabolic rate drops and hunger signals increase, making it difficult to maintain the new weight. This is not a matter of willpower, but of physiology. The success of GLP-1 receptor agonists like semaglutide further proves this point: the most effective interventions for significant weight loss target biology, not discipline. To say that most people can “get out of the fat trap” with a few months or years of effort severely underestimates the chronic, relapsing nature of obesity.

Moreover, the suggestion that aches, low energy, and poor sleep stem primarily from being fat is misleading. These symptoms can be caused by stress, overwork, inflammation, sleep disorders, depression, and poor nutrition—regardless of weight. The author’s framing implies that fat bodies are inherently dysfunctional, which not only ignores counterexamples (such as metabolically healthy fat individuals) but also contributes to the very stigma they claim to reject. In fact, weight stigma itself is a proven source of health harm, leading to increased cortisol, disordered eating, avoidance of medical care, and reduced physical activity.

To the author’s credit, the discussion of the mental and emotional dimensions of eating—especially the anxiety, guilt, and obsession around food—is insightful and compassionate. They are correct that healing from disordered eating patterns often involves therapy, mindfulness, and internal self-work, not just external changes. Their acknowledgement that body positivity and self-acceptance are vital steps is also important. Still, framing recovery as a journey out of the “fat trap” subtly undermines those same values, by implying that fatness itself is the problem to be escaped.

Ultimately, this post would be stronger if it embraced a more nuanced understanding of health at every size, acknowledged the role of genetics and biology in body weight, and moved away from binary thinking about “traps” and “freedom.” Compassion, flexibility, and science-based awareness are essential—not just for others, but for oneself. Weight is not a moral failure or a mental prison. It’s one part of a complex picture of health, identity, and lived experience.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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This. If the ad industry put half as much effort into promoting healthy eating, we wouldn't train everyone to eat poorly and/or excessively at a young age. FFS, look at how long it took to get calorie counts on menu signage! And that's the lowest hanging fruit. 1. Fix fast food + the ad industry by financially penalizing pushing unhealthy food. 2. Rework the food supply chain to support healthier eating. (Less ultra-…

For the most part, supply follows from demand than the other way around. If people cared more about healthy food more than convenient and tasty food, then companies will sell and advertise healthier food. Chinatowns were historically poor, but they never turned into food deserts because vegetables are a quintessential part of Chinese cuisine. Taxing unhealthy food may work, but that would also piss a lot of people of…

> Chinatowns were historically poor, but they never turned into food deserts because vegetables are a quintessential part of Chinese cuisine.

The key component you're talking about here is culture, which is absolutely malleable to advertising over intermediate timespans.

Look at the Chinese shift towards greater amounts of meat consumption, driven by its promotion as a symbol of wealth.

And many of these beliefs are set in childhood. Imho, the rest of the world would do well to follow the Japanese/French tradition, where introducing children to healthy food options is taken seriously.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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But isn’t the advice of if something sucks in your life, attempt to take action to change it the only thing that actually works?

... "something"? Like, anything at all? Or within the context of this article? But no, that is not the only thing that works. If anyone despairs or believes such as this, then refer back to "cult of self" we're trapped in.

What specifically are the other things that work?

I get that you can hope someone else helps you or that circumstances change on their own.

But again while you’re sitting around waiting, shouldn’t you exhaust the options that you control?

I don’t get how trying to improve your life yourself is a “cult of self” or being portrayed as a bad thing.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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177 calories per day on average according to your link. More in teenagers, less in adults. Long term trend is decreasing consumption.

Which is a lot over time. With 3500 calories per pound that means quitting soda would on average make people lose a pound every 3 weeks, that is about 15-20 pounds a year.

Mostly agreeing with you here but I've been through this journey and this shocked me when I ran the numbers one time so I'm sharing.

A better way to be thinking about this is at what point will you stop gaining weight? If you are someone who burns 2000 calorie a day but eats 2170 calories a day, you will be gaining 170 calories on that first day. But then you will add some fat, and you will burn 2001 calories, and only gain 169 calories the next day. Eventually you will reach equilibrium where you burn 2170 calories. But fat isn't like muscle, it's very efficient because that is it's main purpose - it just sits there. So it actually takes a lot to reach that new equilibrium.

The rule of thumb is 100 calories surplus will lead to a long run gain of about 15 pounds. So the 177 calorie average would end up yielding about 25 pounds of fat above what they should have.

Then the next question is if you will ever reach equilibrium, or if when you start burning 2001 calories, you start eating 2171 calories...

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Hi HN! OP here. Thank you everyone for reading and commenting. Thanks to your feedback I have done the following edits to the post: - Added a comment on GLP-1 agonists. I wrote the article like it was 2023, not 2025. These drugs now exist and their benefits massively outweigh their drawbacks, particularly for people that really need help. Anything that helps out of the trap, particularly with this effectiveness, shou…

You brought up smoking and were mere inches near the truth but quickly ran away back into the lalaland... Smoking used to be more prevalent than obesity. Did we bring it down with "smoking positivity" and did shaming and harassing smokers only brought harm? What do you think?

Re: Being fat is a trap

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> but you have the choice to step out of the fat trap. People should also talk about the volition trap. I'm 40 and it feels like I've had more than a life's worth of people talking about how "you can do it if you just try!" > ... advertising signs that con / you into thinking you can do what's never been done / meantime life goes on all around you The sheer scope of the obesity pandemic should make it clear that we a…

> Certainly so many people can't be too weak to regulate one of the most basic facets of existence?

Why not? We're all weak, in one way or another.

> How did we come all this way as a species if we are so fundamentally flawed at basic metabolic regulation?

There never was enough calories to go around. Getting as much as you can and storing them for later as fat used to make sense until very, very recently.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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Hi HN! OP here. Thank you everyone for reading and commenting. Thanks to your feedback I have done the following edits to the post: - Added a comment on GLP-1 agonists. I wrote the article like it was 2023, not 2025. These drugs now exist and their benefits massively outweigh their drawbacks, particularly for people that really need help. Anything that helps out of the trap, particularly with this effectiveness, shou…

You brought up smoking and were mere inches near the truth but quickly ran away back into the lalaland... Smoking used to be more prevalent than obesity. Did we bring it down with "smoking positivity" and did shaming and harassing smokers only brought harm? What do you think?

For what it's worth, I believe that shaming is generally not helpful. For people to step out of a difficult situation, they need to be empowered. They will probably find your help more useful than you shaming them, or at least your sympathy. At least that's how I see it.

Re: Being fat is a trap

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You brought up smoking and were mere inches near the truth but quickly ran away back into the lalaland... Smoking used to be more prevalent than obesity. Did we bring it down with "smoking positivity" and did shaming and harassing smokers only brought harm? What do you think?

For what it's worth, I believe that shaming is generally not helpful. For people to step out of a difficult situation, they need to be empowered. They will probably find your help more useful than you shaming them, or at least your sympathy. At least that's how I see it.

So, in your opinion, what curbed smoking? I don't recall any empowerment campaigns targeted at smokers.
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