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Curtis Yarvin's Plot Against America

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Post by coldtea »

const_cast wrote: post #337
coldtea wrote: post #248

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> We've done this, it was called the dark ages and it sucked and we moved past it. Well, the "dark ages" is now widely considered a misnomer, and that time is seen as an important era development-wise.

But the development was very slow, and it was held back by policy and a stronghold by leaders onto the status-quo.

On the other hand, it was development and stability - in an era where the previous Roman system had collapsed.

Whereas now many argue it's decline and regression in many areas compared to recent past.

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Post by edanm »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #334
nine_k wrote: post #332

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Most prominent racist movements of last few centuries considered Jewish people undesirable, all the way to the idea of complete extermination.

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> A lot of nationalist consider a lot of other races undesirable. The Israeli mainstream right is fairly open about their attitudes to gentiles, whether arab muslim, arab christians, or the disposable lives of US servicemen they wish to fight wars on their behalf.

That's not true and kind of outrageous - you're basically saying "the majority of Israelis are racist". The Israeli mainstream right has a lot of views I disagree with, but they're directed at people who are (in their minds at least) Israel's enemies. It's not because they are Arabs.

And they certainly don't consider US servicemen disposable, and certainly don't have a bad opinion of all "gentiles".

(Ironically, the idea that Jews secretly think everyone else should be subservient to them and are therefore trying to and/or actually ruling the world, is itself a classic antisemitic line of thinking.)

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Post by ben_w »

soulofmischief wrote: post #276
xp84 wrote: post #208

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> 75 years is a long time. At lot can change. True, but population collapse specifically is a tough headwind. You can't make more 2055 30-year-olds unless they've already been conceived today, and those will be the parents of the 2100 45-year-olds. While a lot can change, it's unrealistic to assume a birth rate will skyrocket all of a sudden (China's at 1.18 per woman and US is only at 1.6). The painful part, the bad…

I think any boom would be the result of the average amount and, relatedly, price of energy and land and stability available to a member of a given population sharply increasing. Millennials are having less kids because they proportionally have less access to energy and resources. I am 30 and we just bought our first home at 200x its original value in the early 20th century, and 4x what its previous owners payed 25 ye…

> Millennials are having less kids because they proportionally have less access to energy and resources.

If it was as simple as that, China's population would still be booming: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/per-capita-energy-use?tab...

The feeling of having become cattle? Perhaps a cause, perhaps a common symptom.

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Post by Yizahi »

eikenberry wrote: post #110

Didn't have time to make it through the entire (long winded) article, but is it wrong to boil down his thinking to the simple idea that a benevolent, competent dictator is the best form of government? I ask as this seems like a very simplistic and obvious idea. The problem isn't that this is necessarily incorrect, it is how do you find this mythical figurehead? History has shown that we have never discovered a system…

The core of the issue is that a manager (President is just ultimate form of it) working in a peaceful and prosperous time period is not needed. He can be replaced with an automated set of scripts and mostly nothing would be affected by that replacement. In fact, we can't even correlate person's skills to a company/country performance if it was successful. Maybe that manager was incompetently hindering it, and it would have been even more successful without him.

Manager's skills are only shown during a conflict or a crisis. But no human has invented a way to test candidate on the crisis response. Partial solution is to hire/elect a person who manager crisis before, but because crises are always unique, their skills still don't translate to a new one.

So the answer is - it is impossible to do. Thus we shouldn't do that for the most critical positions.

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Post by puzzlingcaptcha »

esseph wrote: post #261

Flagged, get the fuck out of here. The fact that it's flagged means someone wants it hidden. If you don't want to read the post you don't have to, nobody is making you.

At least cockatoos drinking from water fountains is still on the front page.

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Post by UncleMeat »

indoordin0saur wrote: post #191

For what it's worth his writing is very thought provoking and novel. I'd recommend anyone bored of mainstream groupthink take a look at it.

There are unlimited odious beliefs that are outside of mainstream groupthink. Simply being different is not meaningful. The people advocating for mass murder of as many people as possible to end the human race are also outside of mainstream groupthink but I’d prefer not to be murdered by then.

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Post by UncleMeat »

declan_roberts wrote: post #308
sanderjd wrote: post #289

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lol, this is the opposite of the case. It has never ever been easier to consume content (text, audio, video, whatever) outside the mainstream.

The president of the United States was kicked off Twitter in 2020. Parler was removed from the App Store in 2020. "Now" is a lot different than 4-5 years ago.

And Trump managed to create an entire replacement Twitter for him to run.

Moderation from various platforms is not the same as silencing people. It is vastly easier for fascists to share their evil today than ever before in history.

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Post by Paradigma11 »

nine_k wrote: post #330
eikenberry wrote: post #110

Didn't have time to make it through the entire (long winded) article, but is it wrong to boil down his thinking to the simple idea that a benevolent, competent dictator is the best form of government? I ask as this seems like a very simplistic and obvious idea. The problem isn't that this is necessarily incorrect, it is how do you find this mythical figurehead? History has shown that we have never discovered a system…

Yarvin's analysis of a situation is often interesting and poignant, and occasionally quite fun to read, due to his erudition and irony. His positive program though is underwhelming at best, and hostile at worst, literally against several key points of the US oath of allegiance, for instance. His idea of a benevolent head of a "sovcorp" ("sovereign corporation") is not even some virtuous king Elessar; someone like pre…

I disagree that Putin has a long horizon of planning. He is very much medium term, waiting for opportunities to occur. He also has enough resources that if a bet does not work out, he can still double down a few times till he wins.

That is not a bad strategy unless someone figures it out and plans to bankrupt you.

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Post by frm88 »

A_D_E_P_T wrote: post #301
CooCooCaCha wrote: post #294

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The counter-argument is that even if you say democracy is sub-optimal, it’s certainly more stable than monarchy. Monarchy sounds good when you have a benevolent philosopher-king that does all the right things, but what if you get a bad king? That could mean decades of poor leadership. With a monarchy, lighting has to strike over and over again.

Yet throughout history monarchies have been, by and large, more stable than democracies. There are well-attested dynasties that have lasted for many centuries -- the Zhou, Abbasid, and Rurikid dynasties were all in power for >700 years! The Abbasid dynasty was at last conquered by the Ottomans -- themselves a >600-year dynasty. Is there a democracy worthy of the name that has ever lasted >300 years? "Certainly more s…

"Is there a democracy worthy of the name that has ever lasted >300 years"

For varying degrees of democracy: Athens: ~ 510-310 BC (yes yes 200) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_democracy Rome: ~ 509 - 027 BC https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Republic Venice: 697-1797 AD https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Republic_of_Venice

to name the most commonly known.

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Post by queenkjuul »

LAC-Tech wrote: post #334
nine_k wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most prominent racist movements of last few centuries considered Jewish people undesirable, all the way to the idea of complete extermination.

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Please stop conflating the Israeli government with Jewish people in general
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