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Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#351
I find the Konwinski Prize to be very interesting in this context. 1 million dollars to whoever's open source LLM solves >90% of a set of novel Github issues.

https://www.kaggle.com/competitions/konwinski-prize/

Currently, the #1 spot sits at a score of 0.09, not 0.9. A far cry from being useful. I know that open source models are not as good as closed source, but still, we're a long way from LLMs being good for code on their own.

And that supports OP's point - these tools aren't AGI, they produce trash that needs evaluation, but they're still useful.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#354
I think I figured out a big problem I have with AI, and that is that I just hate using other people's software. The vast majority of software is just garbage. It all tries to take way too much of my attention. It doesn't help that all these AI tools are new, so they are inextricably linked to some SV startup that wants to be the next unicorn, so they have some bullshit account-generation/data-retention/terms-of-service/acceptable-use-policy/remarketing-email-campaing song and dance that is all stuff I have to pay attention to. All I really want to do is sit down and think on my own. I'm constantly inundated with distractions at work, so when I get a few minutes to myself, I sure as hell don't want an AI bot messaging me about reviewing its PR. I don't even want to review the human-written PRs; just push your code already, if it breaks you get to fix it. I certainly don't want a 500th unread email in my inbox.

You know what doesn't constantly nag for my attention? Dead text files on disk. They just sit there, waiting for me to grace them with my presence. That's the way it should be. Computers serve me, not the other way around.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#355
If you are resource constrained this article will make you sad.

I do not have unlimited funds to plug in some token and burn a bunch of money when writing code.

I am gpu poor. I'm lucky that 8gb vram can run the smallest models. But the output is so poor that I lose out to anyone using a hosted service.

If anything this article shows that building great programs is less democratized than it once was.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#356

>If you were trying and failing to use an LLM for code 6 months ago †, you’re not doing what most serious LLM-assisted coders are doing. Here’s the thing from the skeptic perspective: This statement keeps getting made on a rolling basis. 6 months ago if I wasn’t using the life-changing, newest LLM at the time, I was also doing it wrong and being a luddite. It creates a never ending treadmill of boy-who-cried-LLM. Why…

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Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#357

The argument seems to be that for an expert programmer, who is capable of reading and understanding AI agent code output and merging it into a codebase, AI agents are great. Question: If everyone uses AI to code, how does someone become an expert capable of carefully reading and understanding code and acting as an editor to an AI? The expert skills needed to be an editor -- reading code, understanding its implication…

This reminds me of Isaac Asimov's "Profession" short story. Most people receive their ability (and their matching assigned profession, thus the name) from a computer. They then are able to do the necessary tasks for their job, but they can't advance the art in any way. A few people aren't compatible with this technology, and they instead learn to do things themselves, which is fortunate because it's the only way to advance the arts.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#358
I have a trick to improve code quality from LLMs. I only use the ones where I have control of the system prompt.

I use a prompt that convinces the LLM they are a Staff Engineer at Google and care deeply about best practices and writing clean, quality code.

While not perfect, it does improve the code quality.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#359

"Kids today don’t just use agents; they use asynchronous agents. They wake up, free-associate 13 different things for their LLMs to work on, make coffee, fill out a TPS report, drive to the Mars Cheese Castle, and then check their notifications. They’ve got 13 PRs to review. Three get tossed and re-prompted. Five of them get the same feedback a junior dev gets. And five get merged." I would jump off a bridge before I…

> I got into programming because I like programming, not because I like asking others to write code on my behalf and review what they come up with

oh finally someone else who didn't enter programming because, as 7-10 year old child, they were into SOLVING PRACTICAL PROBLEMS FOR PEOPLE.

> But the last fucking thing I want to do is delegate all the code writing to someone or something else

Thank God there is at least one other person that understands that the ratio between creative and reactive work is crucial for wellbeing at the job.

For crying out loud.

> but if I ever get to the point that I feel like I spend my entire day in virtual meetings with AI agents, then I'm changing careers

so am I.

> but at least I guess I got a couple of good decades out of it

Thanks for this perspective. Yes, at least we've got our memories, and the code locations and commits we recall from memory, from a distance of 10 or more years.

>. If this is what the job turns into, I'll have to find something else to do with my remaining years

Me too.

Re: My AI skeptic friends are all nuts

#360

>If you were trying and failing to use an LLM for code 6 months ago †, you’re not doing what most serious LLM-assisted coders are doing. Here’s the thing from the skeptic perspective: This statement keeps getting made on a rolling basis. 6 months ago if I wasn’t using the life-changing, newest LLM at the time, I was also doing it wrong and being a luddite. It creates a never ending treadmill of boy-who-cried-LLM. Why…

An exponential curve looks locally the same at all points in time. For a very long period of time, computers were always vastly better than they were a year ago, and that wasn't because the computer you'd bought the year before was junk.

Consider that what you're reacting to is a symptom of genuine, rapid progress.

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