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Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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It finally feels like the professional tools have greatly outpaced the open source versions. While wan and hunyuan are solid free options, the latest from Google and Runway have started to feel like a league above. Interestingly it feels like the biggest differentiator is editing tools - ability to prompt motion, direction, cuts, or weaving in audio, rather than just pure ability to one shot. These larger companies a…

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Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

#352
post #66

It finally feels like the professional tools have greatly outpaced the open source versions. While wan and hunyuan are solid free options, the latest from Google and Runway have started to feel like a league above. Interestingly it feels like the biggest differentiator is editing tools - ability to prompt motion, direction, cuts, or weaving in audio, rather than just pure ability to one shot. These larger companies a…

Has anyone cracked the nut of making videos longer than a few seconds though? No one seems to have made any progress on this. This is all nearly worthless until that is addressed.

I thought that for a while. Until it was pointed out to me that most long videos are made of 6 second shots.

Generating a long video one shot at a time kind of makes sense, as long as there's good consistency between shots

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

The fact that so many feel the same way about this technology (I do too!) is an indictment of humanity, not the technology itself. We _could_ use this to empower humans, but many of us instinctively know that it will instead be used to crush the human spirit. The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative m…

> The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative mediums by a few large companies.

I agree , but that's the negative. The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero, and with a lag of perhaps a decade or two it will meet us in the physical world with robo-technicians, surgeons and plumbers. The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land, and will be finished in 1/10 of the time it takes today. The main problem to me is that there's a lag between the negatives and the positives. We're starting out with the negatives and the benefits may take a decade or two to reach us all equally.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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post #305

I'm sure by this point, and if not, pretty soon, everyone will have seen a clip of AI generated video and not thought twice about it. Its something that is only obvious when it is obvious. And the more obvious examples you see, the more non-obvious examples slip by.

I saw a video today [1]. Millions of views, ten thousand comments, not a single commenter mentioned that it's AI generated. If you look at the shadows in the background, you can see how they appear and disappear, how things float in the air, and have all the AI artifacts. The video is also slowed down (lower FPS) to overcome the length limit of AI video generator. But the point is not how we can spot these, because i…

Well, what does news (or any media) consumption look like now? It's been trending towards pure noise for a good while, and this is a way to further automate the generation of yet more noise.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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It's hard to nail down a good objective metric on something that is always going to be marginally qualitative in nature but it's a good call out - I should probably add a FAQ to the site. To clarify this test is purely a PASS/FAIL - unsuccessful means that the model NEVER managed to generate an image adhering to the prompt. So as an example, Midjourney 7 did not manage to generate the correct vertical stack of transl…

Makes sense. It just set off some statistical alarm bells in my head to see a model marked as passing with 1 trial, and some models marked as failing with 5. What if the probability of success is 5% for both models? How confident are we that our grading of the models is correct? It's an interesting problem. Cool site btw! Thanks for sharing.

Its made a little bit better by the fact that there's something like a dozen different prompts. Across all of the prompts each model had a fair number of opportunities to show off.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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post #70

This is technically impressive and I commend the team that brought it to life. It makes me sad, though. I wish we were pushing AI more to automate non-creative work and not burying the creatives among us in a pile of AI generated content.

It's definitely coming. Creative work is first because there's zero constraints on it. Doing non-creative work, you're bound to hit a constraint - real world or otherwise - immediately, and AI is only just starting to navigate that.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fact that so many feel the same way about this technology (I do too!) is an indictment of humanity, not the technology itself. We _could_ use this to empower humans, but many of us instinctively know that it will instead be used to crush the human spirit. The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative m…

> The end result of this isn’t going to be an expansion of creative ability, it’s going to be the destruction of creative jobs and the capture of these creative mediums by a few large companies. I agree , but that's the negative. The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero, and with a lag of perhaps a decade or two it will…

> The positive will be that almost any service you can imagine (medical diagnosis, tax preparation, higher education) will come down to zero

Why would you want massive amounts more of those things? In fact I might even argue that medicine, taxation and education are a net negative on society already. And that to the extent that there seems to be scarcity, it's mainly a distribution problem having to do with entrenched interests and bureaucracy.

> The cost of building a new house or railway will plummet to the cost of the material and the land

That's is the actual scarcity tho.

Re: Veo 3 and Imagen 4, and a new tool for filmmaking called Flow

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How does a prompt describe creativity? It's a vision so far off that it's so frustrating because greater creativity came from limited tools, greater creativity came from imperfections, a different point of view, love, a slightly off touch of a painter or a guitar player, the wood of the instrument and the humidity affecting. I can go on and on, prompts are a reduction to the minimum term of everything you'd want to d…

Huh? is poem not creative? If I write a poem and tell AI to create a painting that expresses that poem visually, is that not creative?

Your hand that moves the brush on the painting will express more than thousand words, it's your hand, your movement, your actual emotions, your tools
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