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Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by ThrowawayP »

alickz wrote: post #309
johnh-hn wrote: post #293

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This is an interesting suggestion. Like with most suggestions here, I have no idea if it would work or not, so I'm making a list of things to try. One thing that would concern me a bit with this though is how I'd use my neck. To give an example, when sitting in front of my screen now, if I want to see the browser tabs at the top of my screen, then I have to tilt my head backwards to see them. But if I need to see the…

I don't know if this will help you visualize it or not, but here's a photo of someone using a TV as a monitor on a desk https://i.imgur.com/mjcqjfZ.jpeg I use my 4K TV as a monitor (though from ~8ft away) and for me Windows' scaling (found under Display in Control Panel) allow me to easily read text from so far away Maybe it could help you

The issue with the "keyboard in front of huge monitor" type of arrangement for people who need to get their face really, really close to the monitor is they have to lean far in and hunch over the keyboard, putting their arms in an uncomfortable position. Speaking from my own experience, this causes RSI problems fairly quickly. And the keyboard can't be moved farther back to allow the person's arms to be in a more natural position because the base of the TV or monitor blocks the way.

A monitor arm of the right length and height lets you sit so that the monitor is close to your face, floating at or beyond the front edge of the table, and the keyboard is physically behind the monitor, letting your arms be in a more natural position for typing.

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by numpad0 »

godelski wrote: post #227
20after4 wrote: post #220

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Several other factors probably pushing the bean counters: * Real estate in high-traffic areas, especially in malls (do those still exist?) can be extremely expensive. * With retail stores, shoplifting is the business's problem, after the switch to ecommerce, a lot of theft is shifted to being the customer's problem (porch pirates) * Customer service staff in the store are likely more expensive than outsourcing call c…

I'm quite aware that stores cost money. I'm not sure why you'd think I didn't. I agree that Apple is doing it right and is kinda what I'm talking about. They do focus on the experience even though I'm sure most sales translate to online sales. They do understand that the physical presence generates many of these sales. It's not trivial to measure like direct sales but it is measurable. I'll admit Apple has an advanta…

Apple makes gobsmack amount of profit from both devices and gambling apps(they don't do games) that easily cover costs of demo units. It'll be harder if you only sell only one type of fancy low-volume gadget at $499.

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by AstroBen »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #345
orbital-decay wrote: post #327

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Desks were invented hundreds of years ago (at least) and are ergonomically ideal for doing prolonged work. It's not related to computing in any way. I don't see them going away any time soon.

They are not ideal, they cause all sorts of lower back/neck & circulation issues, even with a tuned ergonomic setup. But it's true that it is the best we got, sort of the cringy but effective treadmill desk.

Does spending 8-10 hours on your feet every day fare better? I think the solution there is mixing it up

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by mikevin »

transpute wrote: post #225

There's roughly 4 different approaches to Linux on Android: • virtual machine emulating x86_64 • Termux • arm64 binaries running in chroot • proot.. Same idea as chroot, but doesn't use forbidden system calls Fifth option: arm64 pKVM VM from Android 15 on Pixel 7+ phone/tablet hardware using nested h/w virtualization. Shipped in 2025 under the uninformative name of "Linux Terminal" via Development options, Android no…

Any idea where to find the source? Wondering how it's set up.

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by js8 »

eecc wrote: post #248

Poster laments the lack of a quality folding keyboard. Well, though not in production any more, there is one that is absolutely perfect: Microsoft Universal Foldable Keyboard. You can still find it on eBay, and it’s unfathomable — though perfectly in-character — for Microsoft to have terminated it.

What about a wearable split 34-key keyboard? That could work, for outdoor coding. Or voice interface, there was a video of a guy coding in Emacs using that.

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by anonzzzies »

Zambyte wrote: post #326
anonzzzies wrote: post #230

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I use NOMone; works really well. Runs everything I need including vscode/cursor, node and anything else I need without any fiddling, it just all works. Obviously the new linux vm is likely nicer, but this works really well so far. 0] https://desktop.nomone.com/

This seems pretty nice, but fair warning to anyone planning on checking this out, it's actually just a trial version, and the full version is $8. Not too expensive, but doesn't feel great to me that this information is completely omitted until you download and run the app.

You can check for quite a long time and then pay a one off $8. Not ideal as I like opensource, but seems quite a lot of work went into it and it's a smooth experience.

I have nothing to do with them, I am happy with something that just works for all I need it for without having to take all kinds of expert steps. It Just Works. Maybe some massive companies can learn from this; the list is large.

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by zwolbers »

johnh-hn wrote: post #96

Does anyone know if these glasses, or any other glasses, can be tried in-person and used on desktop? I'm legally blind, but have just enough vision to use a screen without a screen reader. The problem is I have to be about 6 inches from a 27 inch screen. I'm tall, and I'm almost bent in half to do it. It's been hell on my back and neck. I've only really made it work because I've modified so many things to get around…

Just to chime in with another alternative - if you're open to using Linux, you might want to look into Viewport Panning with X11 [0].

It allows you to setup a larger virtual desktop that you can then pan around. Instead of moving your head around, you could instead just shift the viewport. Might be more convenient than a larger screen and/or monitor arms assuming you also setup zoom/display scaling.

By default, you pan by moving the mouse to an edge, but iirc you can setup key bindings and/or gestures.

[0] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Config/Resolution#Panning_viewport

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by TuringNYC »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #219
TuringNYC wrote: post #170

On a somewhat related note, I feel any specialized device development should come hand-in-hand with a great developer experience with a well-designed simulator experience. I was an original Google Glass developer (2013) and not allowing development via a simulator was one of their biggest mistakes ever. You had to continuously test squinting into the actual hardware. After about 25min it would overheat and you were f…

I mean if you couldn't stand using the device long enough to test it (not that you should have to - i agree on that), maybe the problem was that the device simply wasn't in anyone kind of ready state to be shipped as a revolutionary new way of interfacing with computers. Like christ, it would overheat after 25 minutes?

>> I mean if you couldn't stand using the device long enough to test it (not that you should have to - i agree on that), maybe the problem was that the device simply wasn't in anyone kind of ready state to be shipped as a revolutionary new way of interfacing with computers. Like christ, it would overheat after 25 minutes?

Well the usage for these types of devices (e.g., Apple Watch, Google Glass) is meant to be notifications driven and event driven. So the unit was sufficient for regular Production usage (though not great for all-day use.) However, development is basically a constant stream of tests, etc -- so the development experience is continuous and thus much more taxing than the Production user experience.

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by transpute »

mikevin wrote: post #354
transpute wrote: post #225

There's roughly 4 different approaches to Linux on Android: • virtual machine emulating x86_64 • Termux • arm64 binaries running in chroot • proot.. Same idea as chroot, but doesn't use forbidden system calls Fifth option: arm64 pKVM VM from Android 15 on Pixel 7+ phone/tablet hardware using nested h/w virtualization. Shipped in 2025 under the uninformative name of "Linux Terminal" via Development options, Android no…

Any idea where to find the source? Wondering how it's set up.

pKVM is upstream in mainline Linux.

AOSP, https://android.googlesource.com/platform/packages/modules/V...

GrapheneOS, https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_packages_modules_Virt... & https://x.com/tuxpizza/status/1900431745146888488

Re: Coding without a laptop: Two weeks with AR glasses and Linux on Android

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Post by apexalpha »

johnh-hn wrote: post #96

Does anyone know if these glasses, or any other glasses, can be tried in-person and used on desktop? I'm legally blind, but have just enough vision to use a screen without a screen reader. The problem is I have to be about 6 inches from a 27 inch screen. I'm tall, and I'm almost bent in half to do it. It's been hell on my back and neck. I've only really made it work because I've modified so many things to get around…

I dont know if I missed someone else saying it but have you tried the Apple Vision?

The screens are a few inches from your eyes.

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