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Continue.dev as well
I happy to know that I am not the only one that know about continue.
It's used a lot by self hosters like myself because you can modify their plugin to talk to your local LLM.
OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
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Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
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How are you differentiating from the cline/roo's of the world?
Our plan is to be a superset of Cline and Roo's features (we already have all the major features from both) [0] We also have our own provider, which means no need to bring your own API keys (you can if you like, but it is batteries included by default) and we're not charging anything on top of the API pricing. Instead of monetizing on individual developers, we want it to be free for them and make money eventually off…
maybe you could answer a question about kilo usage: If I choose Google Gemini as the API provider and give it my Gemini API key, why does it say that I'm low on credits (and I get API request failures immediately)? As far as I understand gemini 2.5 pro preview is free to use. (and in Cline I'm able to choose Google Gemini as the API provider & provide my API key and it will successfully make API requests)
Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
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Your take on lawyers is absolutely insane. If you don't think the extremely specialized and well trained professionals can successfully navigate contracts then I can't wait for the absolute garbage the LLMs spit out when faced with similar challenges. Honestly, same for doctors and accountants. Unless these model providers are willing to provide "guarantees" that they will compensate for damages faced as a result of…
> Unless these model providers are willing to provide "guarantees" that they will compensate for damages faced as a result of their output. That's how we will get to $20,000/month agents.
They only have to be slightly cheaper than hiring doctors and lawyers though.
Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
#354Valuation aside, Windsurf has built its own models [1] and boasts enviable enterprise distribution: $100M ARR, per TechCrunch [2]
[1] https://windsurf.com/blog/our-model-strategy [2] https://techcrunch.com/2025/04/22/why-openai-wanted-to-buy-c...
Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
#355Windsurf and Cursor feel like temporary stopgaps, products of a narrow window in time before the landscape shifts again. Microsoft has clearly taken notice. They're already starting to lock down the upstream VSCode codebase, as seen with recent changes to the C/C++ extension [0]. It's not hard to imagine that future features like TypeScript 7.0 might be limited or even withheld from forks entirely. At the same time,…
I completely disagree and feel MS would never do it. Not a MS Employee, but they have moved on from such battles. They should have restricted the Marketplace several years ago, however, they are doing it now. With C++, they are part of MFC's, they are the legal owners, not like Google vs Oracle in case of Java. Lastly, with AI Code IDEs I think yes, there is a case, the need for IDE might be very less. Like a steerin…
Why should they have restricted the marketplace? It's really annoying imo that they lock vs codium out of the more useful plugins like the SSH remote one. However luckily most only take a setting or two to enable anyway.
Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
#356Windsurf and Cursor feel like temporary stopgaps, products of a narrow window in time before the landscape shifts again. Microsoft has clearly taken notice. They're already starting to lock down the upstream VSCode codebase, as seen with recent changes to the C/C++ extension [0]. It's not hard to imagine that future features like TypeScript 7.0 might be limited or even withheld from forks entirely. At the same time,…
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Was this written by an LLM?
Not accusative but something about the vibe strongly suggests it
Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
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> Looking for a moat in the technology is always a bit of a trap - it’s in the traction, the brand awareness, the user data etc. Traction, brand awareness, and user data do not favor Windsurf over GitHub Copilot. The few of us who follow all the new developments are aware that Windsurf has been roughly leading the pack in terms of capabilities, but do not underestimate the power of being bundled into both VS Code and…
But copilot is bundled and is free, and it's still losing to cursor
Define losing? My company pays for Copilot but not for Cursor, and it's not at all clear to me that we're the exception rather than the norm. What numbers and data are you working with?
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I do know that OpenAI doesn't have 3B in cash to just throw around. So, I'd be inclined to believe the vast majority of the deal is stock (or whatever that is called pre-IPO).
oai has PPUs
I think the PPUs are just for employees but investors get equity?
Re: OpenAI reaches agreement to buy Windsurf for $3B
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There are already a bunch of open source, free, and popular "AI coding agent" extensions for VS Code: 1) Cline (1.4mil downloads) 2) Roo Code (a fork of Cline, 450k downloads) Still a drop in the bucket compared to Cursor in terms of # of users, but they're growing pretty fast. Disclaimer: I maintain Kilo Code, which competes with 1) and 2) so I'm pretty familiar with this space/the growth patterns.
I am constantly surprised how seldom aider is mentioned in threads like this. I understand that it's not directly integrated into the editor, but the "editor + parallel CLI tool chain" paradigm feels so natural to me because we drop to terminal for so many other parts of building software. If you haven't tried it (particularly the architect/editor modality), it's worth a couple of hours of experimenting.
Aider doesn’t provide any interface that’s integrated into the editor tool, as you point out. That might be true for other similar side-by-side tools that I am not aware of.
But, if you tell aider to watch your files, you can drop a specially formatted comment into your file, and aider will see that and use it as a prompt.
So the integration is sort of “implicit”. Which sounds kinda like the cheap way to go, in comparison to the current brand name tools that have their own chat boxes, dropdowns with mode selectors (ask, edit, agent), and so on.
But look further into the future and an ambient interface is probably where we end up. Something where the Ai agent is just watching what you do, maybe even watching your eyes and seeing what you’re attending to, and then harmonizing its attention to what you are attending to.
But I dunno, i’m just guessing