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Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by layer8 »

nashashmi wrote: post #316
saurik wrote: post #296

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The EU app store--even as a separate legal entity--doesn't operate independently: it takes its marching orders from Apple, Inc., and Apple, Inc. has been required to not do this thing to developers, not merely directly but indirectly even by persons (which includes corporations) they are merely "in active concert or participation with". The EU app store doesn't even have a separate submission portal or a separate app…

Companies other than apple inc would not be covered. However, subsidiaries should be covered. And app store in europe must be a subsidiary.

I'm pretty sure that international law doesn't work in that way. For example, the foreign-country subsidiary also doesn't have to pay US taxes.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by bigyabai »

reylas wrote: post #272
nielsbot wrote: post #267

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they already do that. (free to download, in app purchases after)

But apple was getting a cut of the in-app. Now they can't.

Now Apple has less incentive to allow exploitative IAPs and lootboxes on their store. Problem solved.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by tracerbulletx »

timcobb wrote: post #273
tracerbulletx wrote: post #190

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Ah yes, toy makers, the true problem of our world. 30 years ago I'm sure you'd be complaining about "addicted" spending on keeping up with the most popular Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtle toys. It's not evil to make things kids want and make money off it. If you don't want your kids to buy things, that's on you and its a problem from time immemorial, not a new issue with video games.

It's not an issue from time immemorial. it's an issue from the late 19th century, if not post WWII. the child consumer class did not before that. Toys hardly existed before that. Even an adult consume class with disposable income had hardly existed. Kids spending hours every day zonked out at screens is a distinctly new phenomenon on top of that

Oh ok. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Iddin-Sin_to_Zinu

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by timcobb »

tracerbulletx wrote: post #353
timcobb wrote: post #273

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It's not an issue from time immemorial. it's an issue from the late 19th century, if not post WWII. the child consumer class did not before that. Toys hardly existed before that. Even an adult consume class with disposable income had hardly existed. Kids spending hours every day zonked out at screens is a distinctly new phenomenon on top of that

Oh ok. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Letter_from_Iddin-Sin_to_Zinu

Not sure I follow. The letter is about clothes (not toys)... He talks about people (himself, others) having low single digits outfits (one set, two sets), not sure how this makes him a post industrial capitalism consumer. In 1800 BC, life expectancy was probably 25 and people worked from ages like 6 onwards. This guy was definitely not a commoner, and he only had one set of clothes, and wanted two good sets. I'm not saying that's good and that out kids are spoiled and should be happy with two sets of clothes, I just have no idea what you're trying to say.

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by archerx »

nottorp wrote: post #290
archerx wrote: post #257

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Not true, you can enjoy rocket league fully without buying anything.

"buy IAPs out of boredom". Because they keep you "engaged" doing the same thing forever.

I have never bought anything in rocket league and I have played for 600 hours. I am no where near to being bored with it because it has a near infinite skill ceiling.

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Post by immibis »

d3ckard wrote: post #34
lapcat wrote: post #27

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This doesn't make any sense, because Apple still reviews every submission to the App Store. The judge didn't abolish app review. Nothing has changed in that respect. Only section 3.1 of the App Review Guidelines changed. Everything else is still the same. [EDIT:] nextworddev has now edited their post to say "Lol". Originally, the post said that this would open up the floodgates to scam apps. nextworddev also replied…

What inventive Apple has to have the review process in place (which is costly) if they cannot profit from apps? To be clear, I think that 30% was unreasonable from the start, but 10% would be fine in my book and a fair exchange of value.

If that's a problem, they can always loosen the review process.

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Post by satvikpendem »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #336
satvikpendem wrote: post #320

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A monopoly isn't a free market though, because, well, the market is not free. This ruling is precisely about making the market of payment processing on iOS more free, creating such a market.

Sure, we can say that it isn't true communism -- err, sorry, market freedom -- so long as we acknowledge that the incentives which create, establish, and perpetuate the monopolies emerge due to market freedom and attempts to curtail monopolies are regularly attacked under the banner of market freedom and that actual market freedom requires (metaphorical) mace-wielding regulators to regularly go on (metaphorical) skul…

Yes, regulators must fight monopolies to maintain a free market, as the former are antithetical to the latter.

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Post by throwaway290 »

whywhywhywhy wrote: post #150
throwaway290 wrote: post #136

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> screwing Spotify over app commissions Spotify is the one who screws everyone. They deserve it > Epic Epic is another example of a shady company who doesn't want to give a cut from its micro transactions from users (users who are brought to them by Apple's innovation) > difficult repairability iPhone repairability score is 2-3 points higher than Pixel's according to iFixit. Only HMD beats iPhone.

>Spotify is the one who screws everyone. They deserve it How? They pay the exact same percentage as Steam does to it's creators, 70%.

If you are seriously asking, why not I just link you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Spotify. Just so you know, we are talking about a company that literally has a Wikipedia article JUST about the issues people have with it.

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Post by throwaway290 »

redwall_hp wrote: post #156
whywhywhywhy wrote: post #150

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>Spotify is the one who screws everyone. They deserve it How? They pay the exact same percentage as Steam does to it's creators, 70%.

Music royalties are also set by a panel of judges (Copyright Royalty Board). Spotify is not legally able to "screw" anyone. Their pro rata model pays as much or more than the legal requirement. The economics of radio and internet streaming, especially in a world with a democratic explosion of access to recording technology, simply aren't conducive to recording being lucrative. Record labels are in the business of scr…

1) Using legally required minimum as floor is malicious, this is US we're talking about 2) CRB's ruling is very new and you want us to forget how Spotify was screwing everybody over all preceding years 3) the rates from CRB are based on total revenue of the streaming service which leaves a LOT up for manipulation if the company wants to pay less. Read what real bands and musicians say about how much they get paid from Spotify and others

Re: Apple App Store guidelines remove ban on encouraging external payments in US

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Post by nashashmi »

layer8 wrote: post #351
nashashmi wrote: post #316

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Companies other than apple inc would not be covered. However, subsidiaries should be covered. And app store in europe must be a subsidiary.

I'm pretty sure that international law doesn't work in that way. For example, the foreign-country subsidiary also doesn't have to pay US taxes.

Tax law do not work according to International Law. It works according to State Law. US Law treats revenue as either local or foreign. Local revenue gets local tax. Foreign revenue gets foreign tax. When the profit from foreign revenue makes its way to the US parent company, it is seen as local revenue.
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