Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Try Switching to Kagi

daringfireball.net

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

351–360 of 493 posts

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#351

Post by SietrixDev »

KoolKat23 wrote: post #210
ctvo wrote: post #207

As a long time Kagi user, the thing I miss the most is Google Maps integration for search results. It's nice to search for a restaurant or an address, see results for it, and with one click open up Google Maps to see how to get there and nearby attractions. Google Maps is such a large moat for Google, especially in locations that Apple Maps (the only real alternative) has poor coverage. Outside of that use case, I en…

Absolutely agree. Although Google's kneecapped their own Google maps integration in the EU. If it's of any help, on the top right there's a more shortcut to Google maps when searching an address in Kagi. Although that's two clicks, would be to Kagi's advantage if they make this process one click or better, especially in the EU.

This. I didn’t know it was EU only thing, but sometimes you have a map displayed in Google search results and there’s no way to actually go to Google Maps beside clicking “directions” button (and I think even this button isn’t always there).

Just recently I’ve created a bang in Kagi which redirects me to Google Maps roughly around my home with a query that I typed.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#352

Post by tombert »

neogodless wrote: post #110

About a year ago, I tried the free 300 search trial. I liked it, but wasn't ready to commit to the expense. This year, they offered me a free 30 day unlimited trial, so I'm about 10 days into that. I've only used 128 searches so far. What I seem to find is that I use it, get to what I'm looking for, and move on. So it's not really on my mind. But it's subtly refreshing to spend less time fighting search to get what I…

A friend of mine and I split the cost of a family plan ($20/month) and that way we have four extra accounts to use for our family and the like. The amortized cost is pretty reasonable then.

I'm ok paying a few bucks simply because it gives the site a means of making money that isn't selling my data or tunneling me into some kind of marketing ML model.

And the results really do feel better. I almost never do the !g like I did with DuckDuckGo, and being able to set my own weights for sites is genuinely great. Instead of some arbitrary machine learning model, I have my actual intelligence to assist with the rankings.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#353

Post by pimeys »

aaronbp wrote: post #318
nottorp wrote: post #264

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 10 dollars is like, a sandwich In Silicon Valley? Does Kagi only want to sell to techbros?

$10 is a reasonable price for a sandwich in any decent sandwich shop in the US. I live in Mississippi, crappiest economy in the nation. I assume people are thinking they meant the cost of a homemade bologna sandwich or something, otherwise this conversation is pretty absurd.

I'm in the capital city of Germany, a sandwich in the bakery around the corner is about 3-4 euros.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#354

Post by SietrixDev »

jetbalsa wrote: post #146
schrectacular wrote: post #59

I just had a free month on them. It was great but for me the plans are weird. 300 searches a month is _probably_ enough but the fact that I'm on a countdown makes me super cagey with my searches. And I want to want to use the service if that makes sense. I'm not opposed to paying (I pay for email) and I know they share the reasons for the pricing, but my email account is something like $3 a month. I guess this is a l…

I guess I'm a power user, I'm at > Total searches this period 1,216 > Assistant interactions this period 92 I feel the 25$ is worth it for a product that I use this much and along with knowing the costs of trying to keep all this stuff alive at the smaller scale can be hard. until they get much larger I don't expect the prices to go down.

I don’t think I’m a power user and I’m constantly over 1000 searches / month. Just a few days ago I upgraded my plan to the highest tier to play with the better models and in a few days it’s gonna renew for a year at this tier.

If I’m gonna use the AI assistant with web access I’d assume my searches are gonna go up even more.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#355

Post by rafram »

dhc02 wrote: post #334
mvieira38 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the same here on my Android phone. Google:First result, occupying half my screen, was a sponsored Google Play junk app, then CloudConvert, FreeConvert, Convertio, Adobe Express, Restream (this one seems like garbage), then a second Play widget and then SEO slop. Kagi: FreeConvert, CloudConvert, a youtube tutorial, a Quick Peek widget with unhelpful topics, Restream, Adobe Express, SEO slop at the end. Not that mu…

The best part about Kagi is that if the default results don't seem helpful, one click restricts results to only discussions and forums, which is usually exactly what I want to do next.

Google supports that too. After searching, click “Forums” in the top bar.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#356

Post by rafram »

mvieira38 wrote: post #287
rafram wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not just me getting Reddit discussion results - Google has an exclusive deal with Reddit to list it in search results [1], and it tends to be ranked highly now for more subjective/recommendation-based queries. (And I did this test after clicking the "Try without personalization" link in the Google footer.) I didn't list the ads in the Google results because I didn't see them. There's no reason not to be using an…

So you're saying it's good to have your results influenced by megacorporation exclusivity deals? I didn't use an adblocker because I was using the app, and having to rely on adblockers is cheating for Google, the services should be judged as is. Google isn't above blocking you from their services for using adblockers, too, as we can see from Youtube

Did I say that?

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#357

Post by timeinput »

buzzerbetrayed wrote: post #297
robertlagrant wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

$10 is many sandwiches.

It’s also less than a single sandwich. Not sure how “it depends on the sandwich” adds to the conversation. The point still remains.

The cost of a sandwich ranges beyond $0.50 to $200.00. It depends on the sandwich adds about as much to the conversation as "it costs less than a sandwich".

And to be clear by "beyond" I mean some sandwiches cost less than $0.50, and some sandwiches cost more than $200.00

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#358

Post by tombert »

rafram wrote: post #236
mvieira38 wrote: post #230

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did the same here on my Android phone. Google:First result, occupying half my screen, was a sponsored Google Play junk app, then CloudConvert, FreeConvert, Convertio, Adobe Express, Restream (this one seems like garbage), then a second Play widget and then SEO slop. Kagi: FreeConvert, CloudConvert, a youtube tutorial, a Quick Peek widget with unhelpful topics, Restream, Adobe Express, SEO slop at the end. Not that mu…

It's not just me getting Reddit discussion results - Google has an exclusive deal with Reddit to list it in search results [1], and it tends to be ranked highly now for more subjective/recommendation-based queries. (And I did this test after clicking the "Try without personalization" link in the Google footer.) I didn't list the ads in the Google results because I didn't see them. There's no reason not to be using an…

I hadn't heard of that deal. How is that not blatantly anti-competitive?

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#359

Post by jacekm »

esseph wrote: post #84
iLoveOncall wrote: post #6

I tried every search mentioned by the author in Google verbatim, and the government's website was always first. In fact, the whole first page was only government websites from multiple countries for "travel to UK". But everytime this issue is brought up by people, I ask them to share the keywords they searched and the results they expected, and it always becomes blatantly clear that it's a user issue. I haven't perso…

I feel exactly the same way! It makes me wonder what the hell I look for on the internet vs the users complaining about the search results!

I suspect the secret sauce might be uBlock Origin. Even with basic, default filters it transforms Google into a vastly different experience.

Re: Try Switching to Kagi

#360

Post by opello »

tumdum_ wrote: post #350
TeMPOraL wrote: post #339

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? They've gave it back to society in form of Llama models; it's a great and strongly positive development.

So copyright matters only sometimes? If that’s so, I bet anyone who consumed pirated content has had some positive impact on the society because of it.

The ends justifying the means is a pretty popular argument these days.
Post reply on HN