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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by falcor84 »

tarcon wrote: post #269
magic_hamster wrote: post #186

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Who is "we"? The entire human race? Expecting all humans across different cultures and languages to come together and figure out basic income for 9 billion people is absurd. This kind of cooperation never happened and probably never will. People are completely unable to cooperate at the massive scale this requires, let alone solve far smaller challenges like mitigating outbreaks or making an effort to avert climate c…

The first step towards this is a UN resolution.

That's an interesting take. Is there any historical precedent for an international change that started with a UN resolution? Because my cynical take is that UN resolutions are typically either ineffective, or made post-hoc.

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Post by tchalla »

haswell wrote: post #306
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

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The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

> Many people would not know how to live under such a system

People will learn just like they learned how to live under the alternate system.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by falcor84 »

shakna wrote: post #257
falcor84 wrote: post #247

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It's difficult, but not impossible. "We" decided to offer everyone a covid vaccine and achieved that.

And as a result of "we" being divided, we have the resurgence of many vaccine preventable diseases, because that achievement was flat out rejected by part of humanity.

I wonder what part of that was actual rejection of the vaccines vs a rejection of collective action itself as an idea.

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Post by CooCooCaCha »

haswell wrote: post #306
SequoiaHope wrote: post #169

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The reason you don’t have more time for music is not technological, it’s social. We have enough technology to offer a basic life for everyone for free, but we have not agreed that doing so is worthwhile.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

What I find so incredibly frustrating about comments like this is the assumption that this is how it has to be. Human liberation is a bad idea because you had a bad experience during sabbatical and that’s the way it has to be.

People and society adapt.

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Post by fullshark »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #344
fullshark wrote: post #333

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The idea that those jobs can only be done by desperate individuals so society needs desperate individuals is your logic here. I am not sure I can even counter it, I lack the imagination to see an alternative.

Helping people is not desperate work. It’s meaningful.

Sure, but one shift as a nurse in a hospital will open your eyes to just how difficult a job that can be, and not one many people would do unless "forced" to.

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Post by krapp »

falcor84 wrote: post #353
shakna wrote: post #257

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And as a result of "we" being divided, we have the resurgence of many vaccine preventable diseases, because that achievement was flat out rejected by part of humanity.

I wonder what part of that was actual rejection of the vaccines vs a rejection of collective action itself as an idea.

The rejection itself was a collective action. It wasn't passive, anti-vaxxers did work spreading propaganda, protesting and undermining vaccination efforts. They made it a part of their identity and culture.

If it was a rejection of anything, it was of any assumption of good faith on the part of either government or scientific institutions. Why that happened, as quickly and thoroughly and as polarized along clear partisan lines as it was, is a mystery.

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Post by butlike »

antfarm wrote: post #54
koiueo wrote: post #52

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> I want Al to do my laundry Do you want a washing machine with Alexa built-in? Be careful what you ask for. (I know what you meant, but the only laundry-related AI you can hope for, is a cloud connected smart speaker telling you it can't wash with unapproved third party detergent pods)

I guess automatic sorting, washing at the right temperature, drying and maybe folding is what someone who washes their own clothes would wish for. Talking to the appliance is probably not that high on their list.

The Jetsons future.

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Post by butlike »

thrdbndndn wrote: post #61
my_username_is_ wrote: post #56

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I'm gonna be honest... Very few people are artists for the pay

I'm not sure how this contradicts what they said. AI would likely lower the number of paid opportunities. Additionally, art requires practice. Sure, some "lower-tier" artists may produce work that AI could replace without anyone noticing. But by removing that step, we risk having fewer truly great artists emerging.

The paid artist is, in fact, the outlier.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by haswell »

CooCooCaCha wrote: post #354
haswell wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think there’s an even bigger issue than this. Many people would not know how to live under such a system. By this, I mean that I strongly believe people would become severely depressed or insanely stir crazy. I’ve been on an extended sabbatical after 20 years in tech. The first year was magical. “I could do this forever” I told myself, and actually considered it. The second year was more complicated. I could feel m…

What I find so incredibly frustrating about comments like this is the assumption that this is how it has to be. Human liberation is a bad idea because you had a bad experience during sabbatical and that’s the way it has to be. People and society adapt.

This is not what I took away from the experience or what I’m trying to communicate with my comment.

I’ve elaborated in various sibling comments, but my point is closer to this: regardless of what is possible, many people simply don’t have the skills for a rapidly and drastically altered social arrangement.

To your point, people can gain those skills. Society will adapt. But the worrying thing to me is the rate of change. Whatever we can imagine about a future in which we’re not bound to our jobs, there is also the harsh reality that we have to collectively agree about an awful lot of things to get there, and that agreement isn’t happening at the same rate as technological progress.

If anything, some forms of “progress” (social media) are grinding healthy collaboration and agreement to a halt while big tech ushers in a new era of tools despite the fact that we haven’t adapted to the last major advancements.

None of this is assuming this is how things must be. It’s more about the very real problems that will come with such a transition and the fact that we’re already doing a pretty bad job of ushering in such a future in a way that is actually beneficial to people.

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by butlike »

senko wrote: post #9
eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

We already have machines that do laundry and dishes.

As always, the last mile is the most difficult. To me 'doing laundry and dishes' encompasses putting them away (and folding in the case of laundry).
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