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Post by subjectsigma »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #45
vlovich123 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4chan was founded in 2003. I think reasonable people probably disagree on what constitutes the “early” internet and this is where the argument is. Google had been around for 5 years by this point and I (and I suspect many others) remained blissfully unaware of 4chan for a long time after 2003.

Regardless of date bracketing, I can miss 80's punk and not miss slam dancing. Maybe someone can list some positive internet culture we got from 4chan that I am overlooking.

I might be giving 4chan too much credit but I think in your analogy it’s more akin to 80’s punk (broad subculture) than slam dancing (specific cultural phenomenon).

The way I see it, I lost interest in 4chan because I grew up and became an adult, and so did most of the Internet. We can look back and appreciate our childhood overall while also cringing at the embarrassing parts. 4chan has a lot of both good and bad memories for me and I think the broader Internet as well.

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Post by [deleted] »

idiotsecant wrote: post #13
JKCalhoun wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we can lament the old internet and still care nothing for 4chan.

Like it or not, 4chan was a major hub of Internet culture. Especially early on some of the best stuff on the internet happened on 4chan (and a good chunk of the worst, of course)

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Post by thrance »

ltbarcly3 wrote: post #302
thrance wrote: post #283

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Nice try, but no cognitive dissonance here. My previous comment proved Nazis can also be Zionists, and you would know it if you deigned open the link I joined to it. I never claimed that Jews are Nazis, in fact, America's Zionists are mostly Christian nationalists, seeking to get rid of Jews on their national territory. And like the German Nazis before them, they find common ground with the Zionist project of moving…

When someone robs a bank, and puts a gun in the face of the teller, they are both in agreement. Both of them want to get the money out of the drawer and into the bag as quickly as possible. The bank robber is not aligned with the teller, they aren't allies on this topic, they're not on the same side, the fact that the teller wants to do the same thing the bank robber wants is because of the threat of murder . The tel…

Why twist every word out of my mouth? Why be so disingenuous?

> the idea that Nazis are somehow 'on the side of' any Jews, in any scenario, is ridiculous and stupid.

Then what do you make of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haavara_Agreement?wprov=sfla1 ?

I never pretended that Nazi Germany was an ally of Israel or Jews or whatever. Simply that at some point in history, Nazis and Zionists shared a single interest. Do you debate this too?

> if you didn't murder and isolate and oppress Jews for a thousand years they wouldn't have felt the need to find a place away from you.

Wtf is wrong with you? Why use "you" as if I was the one committing those atrocities?

Do you not believe Jews can live in Europe? That colonizing Gaza is made justified by past genocide, necessary even? Perhaps you believe in the "Jewish Question" and think Jews can't cohexist around other populations? I do not.

> I assume you are Polish or something? Hungarian? Ukrainian?

No. Stop assuming.

> It's their country too, right? That's what you meant?

Of course it's what I meant you slimey dishonest idiot. I do not care about the religion/ethnicity/gender of my fellow citizens. What do you not understand in "I don't believe in the Jewish Question"?

Let me reiterate my position once and for all, so you can stop baselessly attacking me. Israel is currently committing atrocities in Gaza, and for that reason alone I am condemning it.

I do not believe in the "Jewish Question", this means I don't think having Jewish citizens in my country is an issue. Same thing as for any other "group".

Therefore, I don't believe the Zionist project was necessary in the first place. That said, I am obviously not advocating for the disbanding of Israel and a "return". That would cause tremendous harm for no good reason. What I want is for the colonization of Gaza to stop, is that too much to ask without being labelled a rabid anti-semite?

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Post by Izkata »

cwmma wrote: post #225
sgarland wrote: post #139

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> bodybuilding.com Obligatory post about the dumbest argument to ever be had online [0]. It’s so good, the Wikipedia entry [1] has a section devoted to it. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20240123134202/https://forum.bod... [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodybuilding.com

For the record this is an example of the "Fencepost error" where the last item in a range gets double counted as the first item in the next range and is incredibly common in dyscalculia (the math version of dyslexia) as people will have "visual number lines" in their head that cover ranges of numbers but the ends get double counted, so there will be a 10-20 number line then a 20-30 number line. I suspect TheJosh had…

I'm not sure about the "fencepost error" part, but he's thinking of days as durations rather than points. It's early in the thread, about halfway down the first page:

> You don't start counting on sunday, it hasn't been a day yet, you don't start counting til monday. You can't count the day that it is, did you never take basic elementrary math?

Put in other terms, TheJosh uses "Sun - Sun" as inclusive start and exclusive end, while Justin-27 uses "Sun - Sat" as inclusive start and inclusive end.

I think TheJosh mixed things up when trying to explain it (durations vs inclusive/exclusive), so doubles down and comes up with weirder stuff later in the thread. I didn't read the whole thing though, stopped near the bottom of the first page.

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Post by jrflowers »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #274
danaris wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between "upbeat music" and "positive culture". "Positive" in this sense isn't being used to mean "optimistic" or "happy". It's being used to mean "healthy for the world at large". Regardless of whether any of us agree that 4chan was a net-negative, it should be very clear that "music that doesn't have an upbeat sound or themes" is not inherently unhealthy, but "subcultures that are unhealthy…

https://www.4chan.org/ You're dismissing the entire site for a handful of events? How is 4chan unhealthy for the world, at large? It was and is a counterculture for discussing life as seen by its members.

> How is 4chan unhealthy for the world, at large?

If you’re interested in research, the summary of controversies and harassment incidents that were worthy of the 4chan Wikipedia page(1) is over 2,000 words long and links to seven other separate Wikipedia entries, and may be a good start.

Also it is very funny that this thread seems to be multiple different posters here insisting that the user JKCalhoun is wrong for not being a fan of 4chan and that personal opinion is somehow ahistorical and in need of correction. Like the goal here is to make that person post “You guys are right I actually like that website now” ?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/4chan

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Post by GuinansEyebrows »

wegfawefgawefg wrote: post #133
properpopper wrote: post #110

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For users who aren't familiar with 4chan - this post describes only one board - /pol/, where you can find hateful posts about every race and religion. 4chan have 30+ boards in total

To add context, every male in my high school went on that site. Pol was just a place crazy people posted. We used to laugh and read eachother dumb copypastas at lunch with gorgonzola cheese rhymes and bad puns. The average 15yo boy have enough mental hygiene to know everything you read online is false. The website is not a nazi factory.

They didn’t in 4chans heyday and they certainly don’t now. Hell, adults with decades of life experience can’t figure this out either.

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Post by dmonitor »

esseph wrote: post #324
idiotsecant wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like it or not, 4chan was a major hub of Internet culture. Especially early on some of the best stuff on the internet happened on 4chan (and a good chunk of the worst, of course)

It's so funny to read this. I've been involved in "internet culture" since the early to mid 90s. The only thing that I heard about that ever came out of 4chan was toxicity.

That's crazy. The whole "dank memes" thing and terms like based, boomer, wojak, and soy are all from channer culture. 4chan managed to brand gen Z as the "zoomer" generation. Its cultural pervasiveness is impossibly deep.

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Post by gilbetron »

dfxm12 wrote: post #116
mattlondon wrote: post #77

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I'd hardly call it the "old internet". It is very niche, and has not been around that long really - like what 2003 or something? Nothing compared to e.g. Geocities which was early-mid 90s IIRC which I'd argue had more relevance to people than 4chan.

"Old Internet" doesn't have a very defined meaning, but I think it has more to do with design and functionality than a hard date. While I don't think relevance matters, 4chan is much more relevant than you think. Having a niche is part of the old Internet. Websites used to be niche, but deep, instead of websites like Wikipedia, which are broad and shallow (compare the Castlevania dungeon [0] to the Wikipedia article…

"Pre Dot Com Bust" is a pretty good definition for "Old Internet".

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Post by danaris »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #274
danaris wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a big difference between "upbeat music" and "positive culture". "Positive" in this sense isn't being used to mean "optimistic" or "happy". It's being used to mean "healthy for the world at large". Regardless of whether any of us agree that 4chan was a net-negative, it should be very clear that "music that doesn't have an upbeat sound or themes" is not inherently unhealthy, but "subcultures that are unhealthy…

https://www.4chan.org/ You're dismissing the entire site for a handful of events? How is 4chan unhealthy for the world, at large? It was and is a counterculture for discussing life as seen by its members.

I'm not. I'm responding to the specific exchange between you and JKCalhoun. They implied that they didn't know of any positive culture from 4chan, and you took a sharp left turn by misusing "positive"—taking a different meaning of it and comparing that against death metal music, rather than engaging with the actual meaning of what JKCalhoun had said.

I was simply helping to clarify the semantic issue at hand. I don't have enough personal knowledge of 4chan to pass judgement on it one way or another.

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Post by JKCalhoun »

subjectsigma wrote: post #351
JKCalhoun wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of date bracketing, I can miss 80's punk and not miss slam dancing. Maybe someone can list some positive internet culture we got from 4chan that I am overlooking.

I might be giving 4chan too much credit but I think in your analogy it’s more akin to 80’s punk (broad subculture) than slam dancing (specific cultural phenomenon). The way I see it, I lost interest in 4chan because I grew up and became an adult, and so did most of the Internet. We can look back and appreciate our childhood overall while also cringing at the embarrassing parts. 4chan has a lot of both good and bad me…

I guess then I'm showing my age. I was already beginning 40 years of age when 4chan became a thing.
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