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Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by 9283409232 »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #330

It's not even a week since Secretary of Commerce Lutnick was explaining how he wants to bring back millions of jobs 'screwing the little screws in iPhones' to Amercia ? There is really a good chance that we will develop a deep understanding of how the French Revolution happened and why they went straight to guillotines.

Nothing about the tariffs make any sense. The want to use the tariffs to negotiate with countries but also say they want to use tariffs to bring back manufacturing. If you are using tariffs to negotiate then once the country gives you what you want, you have to lift the tariff thus the free market keeping manufacturing overseas. If you want to bring back manufacturing then you can't use the tariff to negotiate.

I am genuinely at a loss at how his supporters don't understand this.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by disqard »

JustExAWS wrote: post #161
gbil wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This assumes that he has more power than the tech companies on the everyday life and I wonder if that is really the case. As I'm not located in the states, I'm very much interested to hear from a US resident if that is really the case.

A tech company can’t shoot me with impunity under “qualified immunity”. Put me in jail, harass me because I don’t look like a belong in my own neighborhood, take my property under civil forfeiture without a trial…

You're right about these most serious adverse outcomes, but don't forget what could happen if you (say) randomly get your Big Tech account locked/suspended/banned for some reason that was ultimately erroneously flagged by an AI, and then cheerfully executed at scale.

The examples you provided are more fundamental and I won't trivialize them, but making you lose your "keys to your own digital space" is a very real power they have over you.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by jopsen »

mrweasel wrote: post #121
ghusto wrote: post #88

Slightly off-topic, but is the result of the USA tariff "trade-war" mean that we get to trade at a discount with China in Europe? What I mean is, since it's cheaper for China to trade with us in Europe now, does that mean we gain some bargaining power?

One danger is that all the cheap Chinese crap will be redirected at Europe. It does have to upside of cheaper goods for Europe overall, which is fine for everything we don't make and which is overall adding value. The risk is that we also get all cheap plastic junk, unless EU regulations can keep it out environmental concerns.

I suspect that trade policy is one of the core competences of the EU.

And countries arguing for particular tariff policies and getting cutouts is widespread EU past time.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by belter »

sitkack wrote: post #142
unclebucknasty wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's exactly what it is. And, the seemingly haphazard, unpredictable nature of it is a feature, serving as perfect cover: "Why these exemptions?" "Who knows? None of it makes sense." But, of course, it does. It's also consistent with other, publicly-wielded cudgels, like the law-firm extortions under threat of executive orders.

People should be more alarmed of these law firms, they will be used as his private army.

People should be more alarmed, the bar does not expel the lawyers at those firms from the profession. They must be breaking every misconduct rule.

"The ABA rejects efforts to undermine the courts and the legal profession" - https://www.americanbar.org/news/abanews/aba-news-archives/2...

Rule 8.4: Misconduct: https://www.americanbar.org/groups/professional_responsibili...

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by tekla »

vkou wrote: post #222
Herring wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump won the popular vote. I don't think this is going away without a major demographic shift, time probably measured in decades.

He won the popular vote in a year when incumbents across the world ate shit at the polls because of COVID inflation. The US had the smallest drop in support for an incumbent party.

And yet he still won

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by dyauspitr »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #330

It's not even a week since Secretary of Commerce Lutnick was explaining how he wants to bring back millions of jobs 'screwing the little screws in iPhones' to Amercia ? There is really a good chance that we will develop a deep understanding of how the French Revolution happened and why they went straight to guillotines.

It’s the looting of America while they use the same old racial ideologies so their supporters don’t break rank even under abuse.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by joe_the_user »

cinbun8 wrote: post #30

From an outsider’s perspective, it’s difficult to discern any coherent U.S. strategy—assuming one even exists. One day it’s a 145% tariff on China. The next, it’s “Well, it’s still 145%, but Apple and Nvidia are exempted because their stock prices might take a hit.” Then comes a 90-day pause, adding to the confusion. It’s not clear whether Jamieson Greer is actually steering this, or if any of it was thoroughly thoug…

To understand this, I think you have to neither overestimate or underestimate Trump and Musk.

Both Trump and Musk seem be to essentially ideologues, visionary tough-talkers, who have actually succeed (or appeared to succeed) to various endeavors through having underling who work to shape their bluffs into coherent plans. This works well for various as long as the delicate balance of competent handlers and loud-mouthed visionaries is maintained.

The problem is the process of Trump winning, losing and then winning again all him to craft an organization and legal framework to put forth he vision uncorrected, unbalanced and lacking all guardrails.

And that's where we are.

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by belter »

prng2021 wrote: post #90
jonplackett wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only explanation that has made sense to me so far. And it makes even more sense based on these exemptions. https://www.instagram.com/share/_jW_V1hwM This is Senator Chris Murphy explaining it’s not economic policy, it’s an attempt to blackmail corporations into submission by making a deal with him in return for sanctions relief. Keep an eye out for what Apple and nvidia might have agreed to give.

I keep seeing these explanations of “4D chess”. It’s Donald Trump. He has absolutely no idea what he’s doing when it comes to economic policies. Unless you believe he can see into the future of how other world leaders would react and consistently outsmart everyone else, there’s no 4D chess being played.

How can somebody even entertain the idea is able the hold the concept of Chess, much less 4D, while at the same time being aware he nominated Matt Gaetz for Attorney General...Let that sink in for a while...

"In 2020, Gaetz was accused of child sex trafficking and statutory rape. After an investigation, the United States Department of Justice (DOJ) decided not to charge him. In December 2024, the House Ethics Committee released a report which found evidence that Gaetz paid for sex—including with a 17-year-old—and abused illegal drugs during his tenure in the U.S. House of Representatives."

Re: Trump exempts phones, computers, chips from ‘reciprocal’ tariffs

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Post by dyauspitr »

kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #13

Seems a bit anti-business to have an unequal playing field just for the star-bellied sneetches. Also silly that those with the biggest piles of capital are getting exemptions when the whole purpose of this exercise is to spur local investment in manufacturing. If anything, small businesses below some threshold of revenue/staff should be getting exemptions.

This is probably the most corrupt, pay to play government in the history of the US. Merit has no place here.
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