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How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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"Everyone needs a fixed percentage to make money" I get they WANT to, and it's what a shoe retail strives for, but this isn't accurate. Cars for example aren't 100% marked up. That would be insanity.

Shoe dealerships don't sell used shoes and have service/parts departments where they make most of their money

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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But the consumer is still the one who can either afford the shoe or not. He doesn't care who is collecting the tax or where in the pipeline it is assessed.

When in the supply-chain you are creating the "taxation" matters to the final cost, assuming 1) the gross margins remain the same and 2) the costs scale linearly. Consider a fictional supply-chain with three players A, B, C. Assume that B and C have 50% gross margins. In a no-tax world, if A sells the product to B for 10$, then B to C for 20$, C will sell it retail for 40$. (A:10$ -> B:20$ -> C:40$) Now imagine a 100…

I think in your scenario that B and C would drop their margin percentage because the tax does not represent anything that will increase their costs in handling the product. E.g. B would sell to C for $30 and C would sell retail for $50, making the same profit in dollar terms. If they don't, a competitor will, because a consumer will prefer the $50 price to the $80 price.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

> When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. I wrote this not long after (10y ago) and I think this view is still unpopular now as it was then (for reasons beyond me): I fully expect Baidu and other tech giants…

> for reasons beyond me

It might help to understand that the resistance you have faced is probably driven by deep-seated biases and stubbornness.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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It’s like people excited about the new datacenter being built in their town, think of all the jobs that will bring they cry. Nobody realizes it takes 6 people to run a datacenter. Bringing “manufacturing back to the US” is a fool’s errand. The future of manufacturing is automation, not jobs.

The real jobs are in building the datacenter and the people involved with the software that runs on the datacenters computers

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

#355

I've always wondered why the supply chain has exponential price increase at each step. The example given (guessed at) is the factory produces the shoe for $12.5 and sells it to Nike for $25. Nike then sells it to Footlocker for $50 and they then sell to a customer for $100. Everyone expects to mark up their costs by about 100 percent. Why is that the case? Even if we say the markup isn't 100 percent, why is it a perc…

On thing you have to consider is the scale at which these shoes are sold at each step. From the factory they're processed and shipped in giant containers. The overhead of handling each shoe is fairly small at that stage.

When it comes to the retailer, there's a huge increase in the amount of work and overhead for each shoe sold. And the labor cost for that work is much higher than on the Asian side of the supply chain. That's also where you get potential waste from returns and discarded inventory and such. The retailer also have their own marketing costs.

I don't find it strange at all that the retailer expects a 100% markup.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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I hope the elites of US are not thinking about moving shoe-making back to the US because it doesn't make sense.

I'm sure (I hope, actually) that some policymakers, or some researchers, have done some conclusive researches about -- give X years into the future, and let's see we do not want to disrupt the current social-economic reality too much (no revolution, no major wealth re-distribution, no world wars, etc.), which industries can we bring back, and into which state, and sell its products into which countries, realistically.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

#357

The thread was kind of hand wavy over the "$24* discount" for Footlocker? From the linked article... >Footlocker’s purchase price (read footnote #3) for every sale of $100 shows up as $66 in their financial reports, and not $50. In plain terms, Footlocker sells its merchandise for a 24% discount on the average. So $100 was never the sale price, just some made up, hoped for number that only appears on the shoe box, an…

“ I would argue that a great deal of selling today is direct, no stores involved at all.”

That assumption burnt the previous Nike CEO post COVID.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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post #42

Americans need to get over their view of “Asia” as being about making shoes. When I was working in engineering in the early aughts, we mocked the Chinese as being able only to copy American technology. Today, China is competitive with or ahead of America in key technology areas, including nuclear power, AI, EVs, and batteries. We need to anticipate a future where China is equal to America on a per capita basis, but f…

Average American would be shocked to see a city like Shenzhen. It's like living in the future.

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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> US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now The thing is .. there's a point here, but it's not at all tied in with physical products. People are obsessed with one side of the ledger while refusing to see the other. Most of the stuff the UK is struggling with (transport, healthcare, energy) are "state capacity" issues. Things where the state is unavoidably involved and having better, more decisive lead…

> Most of the stuff the UK is struggling with (transport, healthcare, energy) are "state capacity" issues. Oh, boy, let me tell you, the 'State capacity' of the United States, when it comes to doing things that aren't making war on its own, or other people, was both rotten to begin with, and won't survive another four years of this regime. Dysfunctional as the UK is, it's government is not stuck at a triple point of…

All this talk of state capacity and global trade puts me in mind of Europa Universalis

Re: How much do you think it costs to make a pair of Nike shoes in Asia?

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post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US will find itself in the same position the UK is in now The thing is .. there's a point here, but it's not at all tied in with physical products. People are obsessed with one side of the ledger while refusing to see the other. Most of the stuff the UK is struggling with (transport, healthcare, energy) are "state capacity" issues. Things where the state is unavoidably involved and having better, more decisive lead…

> Fishing is less profitable for the whole UK than Warhammer. This sounded completely insane to me. I tried to look up numbers and found that Games Workshop brings in > 0.5 billion in revenue (!!), compared to all of UKs fisheries at 1 billion-ish (profit margins are, as you'd expect, pretty favorable for the plastic figurines that they don' even paint for you). Thanks for this interesting fact.

> Games Workshop brings in > 0.5 billion in revenue (!!)

I had no idea that Warhammer was such a huge industry - they must sell almost 600 sets a quarter.

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