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Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by dataflow »

Toenex wrote: post #278
_heimdall wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That could very well be because the jobs are effectively useless. By no means does that mean the people are, nor is what the income allows them to do. But most jobs sure do seem pointless.

Maybe we already have Universal Basic Income, you just need to have a pointless job to collect it.

No we don't. We have too many people who -- even despite having respectable jobs -- can't afford the basic necessities for the month, let alone save for their future and family. The problem they're facing is the lack of the guaranteed basic income, not the lack of a job to collect it.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by int_19h »

rustc wrote: post #144
Beijinger wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is google search bad? Click here to find ten reasons why it is bad and 10 reasons why you should still use it. Yes, it is that bad. Website of Nike? Website of Starbucks? Likely position number one. Every product, category etc., e.g. what rice cooker should I buy? Is diseased by link and affiliate spam. There is a reason why people put +reddit on search terms.

What kind of results does Kagi give for "What rice cooker should I buy?"? (Not asking you specifically, but if any Kagi user could compare.)

Kagi Ultimate user here. Assuming you meant typing it into their search (and not e.g. Assistant), here's what I get on top of the result page:

Quick Answer

To choose the best rice cooker, consider these factors:

Capacity: Rice cookers range from small (1-2 cups) to large (6-8 cups or even 10-cup models) [1][2]. Keep in mind that one cup of uncooked rice yields about two cups cooked [2].

Budget: Basic one-button models can be found for under $50, mid-range options around $100-$200, and high-end cookers can cost more [3].

Features: Many rice cookers include a steaming insert [4]. Some have settings for different types of rice [5][1].

Brand Recommendations:

Zojirushi: Often considered the best brand, but pricier [6][7]. The Zojirushi Neuro Fuzzy 5.5-Cup Rice Cooker is considered best overall [8].

Cuckoo & Tiger: These are the next best brands after Zojirushi [6].

Aroma: Considered the best budget brand [6]. The Aroma ARC-914SBD Digital Rice Cooker is a good option [9].

Toshiba: The Toshiba Small Rice Cooker stands out for innovative features that cater to a variety of cooking needs [5].

References

[1] Five Best Rice Cookers In 2023. More than half of the... | Medium medium.com

[2] Which Rice Cooker Should You Buy? - HomeCookingTech.com www.homecookingtech.com

[3] Do You Really Need A Rice Cooker? (The Answer Is Yes.) - HuffPost www.huffpost.com

[4] The 8 Best Rice Cookers of 2025, Tested and Approved www.thespruceeats.com

[5] The Ultimate Guide to Choosing the Perfect Rice Cooker | Medium medium.com

[6] What is the best rice cooker brand ? : r/Cooking - Reddit www.reddit.com

[7] What are actually good rice cookers? I feel like all the ... - Reddit www.reddit.com

[8] 6 Best Rice Cookers of 2025, Tested and Reviewed - Food Network www.foodnetwork.com

[9] 9 Best Rice Cookers | The Strategist - New York Magazine nymag.com

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by int_19h »

int_19h wrote: post #352
rustc wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What kind of results does Kagi give for "What rice cooker should I buy?"? (Not asking you specifically, but if any Kagi user could compare.)

Kagi Ultimate user here. Assuming you meant typing it into their search (and not e.g. Assistant), here's what I get on top of the result page: Quick Answer To choose the best rice cooker, consider these factors: Capacity: Rice cookers range from small (1-2 cups) to large (6-8 cups or even 10-cup models) [1][2]. Keep in mind that one cup of uncooked rice yields about two cups cooked [2]. Budget: Basic one-button model…

Beyond that are the actual search results. The top ones are the same as in References section of quick answer, but the order is different: [6] [7] [3] [5] [1] [8] [9] [4] [2].

It should be noted that individual search results on Kagi are likely to be skewed depending on the user because it gives you so many dials to score specific domains up or down. E.g. my setup gives a boost to Reddit while downscoring Quora and outright blocking Instagram and Pinterest.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by small_scombrus »

prawn wrote: post #343
Toenex wrote: post #278

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Maybe we already have Universal Basic Income, you just need to have a pointless job to collect it.

One suggested weakness of UBI is a lack of purpose. I wonder if the "solution" is somewhat as you implied: jobs without a strict return on investment. You get your stipend, but you're keeping your block clean by sweeping and mulching. They're getting theirs in exchange for cranking out sourdough at cost for the neighbourhood. Someone else gardens for elderly residents.

That sounds utopian

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by int_19h »

reddalo wrote: post #314
lukan wrote: post #189

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"and believe my word for it - it was much better back then than the crap you get out of torturing whatever your LLM of choice is" I was around as well and my memories do not confirm this. But google search definitely degraded a lot.

Yes and no. You used to find niche websites more easily, but I vividly remember the frustration with ExpertsExchange results (with answers that were all paywalled).

This is one of the reasons why Kagi is so good - you can easily set it up to downrank cesspits like ExpertsExchange or Quora into oblivion.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

ubicomp wrote: post #4

Excited to see this. I've really been enjoying Claude. It feels like a different, more creative flavor of experience than GPT. I use Claude a lot for dialogues and exploring ideas, like a conversational partner. Having web access will add an interesting dimension to this.

That's how I use it as well! It'll also occasionally hallucinate things, but much less often than other AI tools I've tried. But typically I'll just run things by it that I'm question myself about, or if I want to solidify a concept I'll ask it if my understanding is correct.

It's also fun to ask the same question to multiple AI tools and see how the answers differ. Usually Claude is the most accurate and helpful, though.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by int_19h »

haswell wrote: post #128
Tostino wrote: post #107

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I see it as very different. I the human want the data from that request. I am using a tool to get it for me. Should I not be able to execute curl to download a webpage because the "understanding that humans generally operate browsers"?

> I the human want the data from that request. I am using a tool to get it for me. Isn't this a bit of an oversimplification, though? Especially when the tool you're using completely alters the relationship between the content author and the reader? I hear this argument often: "it's just another tool and we've always used tools". But would you acknowledge that some tools change the dynamics entirely? > Should I not b…

It's reasonable for the content creator to see it differently, but I don't think it's reasonable to expect everyone around the content creator to contort any new approach to the needs of the pre-existing business model.

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by puttycat »

CalChris wrote: post #104

I find myself Googling less often these days. Frustrated with both the poor search results and impressed with the quality of AI to do the same thing and more, I think search's days are numbered. AOL lasted as an email address for quite some time after America Online ceased to be a relevant portal. Maybe Gmail will as well.

Agree and I'm pretty sure Google is seeing this drop internally in usage stats and are panicking. I'm also certain (but hope to be wrong) that because of this they'll be monetizing the hell out of every remaining piece of product they have (not by charging for it of course).

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by ordersofmag »

pcj-github wrote: post #27

Does not really say /how/ it's performing a web search... Is it tapping into it's "own" corpus of material or calling out to some other web search engine?

In my quick experiment (asking a question that would naturally lead to content on my own site) it is not doing a real time request to the site in question. Its answer included links back to my site (and relevant summaries), but there was no requests for those pages while it was generating its answer. So it's clearly drawing from info that has already been scraped at some earlier point. And given that I see Claudebot routinely (and politely) crawling the site I'd guess it's working from it's own scraped copies (because why use someone else's if you've got your own....)

Re: Claude can now search the web

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Post by pests »

nicce wrote: post #65
pests wrote: post #46

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I remember in late 90s/early 2000 as a teen going to robots.txt to specifically see what they were trying to hide and exploring those urls. What is the difference if I use a browser or a LLM tool (or curl, or wget, etc) to make those requests?

But how did you find those sites that had the robot.txt to begin with? LLM must somehow find the existence of those pages and store that information before they can crawl them further or mark as acceptable source.

I am a human so I can visit other sites with links or from word of mouth or business cards or literally anywhere?

LLM finds out about it from me, when I ask it to go to the link.

You don’t accuse browsers of “somehow find[ing] the existence of those pages”. How does a browser know what page to visit?

The user tells it to.

If I prompt an LLM “go to example.net and summarize the page” how is that any different from me typing example.net in a browser URL bar?

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