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Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by CaffeineLD50 »

perching_aix wrote: post #283
CaffeineLD50 wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I want fantasy unicorns too. Until then let's APPLAUD people not being killed in a protest, m'kay? Non lethal force is a good alternative, even when used for evil purposes.

This dilemma continues to exist in your own mind only.

This article is designed to improve awareness of oppressiveness of the Serbian government: basic PR/insurgency propaganda 101.

We're supposed to decry some sonic weapons while having no understanding of what is going on.

So what's going on?

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by lazyeye »

camilo2025 wrote: post #33
observationist wrote: post #27

Serbia had the LRAD systems on hand, after buying them in 2022, most likely from Genasys, but possibly from HyperSpike. https://genasys.com/lrad-products/ It's a legal gray area in Serbia where the use against civilians isn't explicitly forbidden, so they're playing fast and loose and moving fast to crush opposition. It's better than troops just gunning people down, but for a modern, supposedly civilized country it's…

You are aware that these LRAD systems have been used against US citizens, aren't you?

It doesn't matter what it is, or where it's happening in the world, the conversation always comes back to the US. Always.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by CaffeineLD50 »

perching_aix wrote: post #282
CaffeineLD50 wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Whoa, great tangent. I'm saying I'd rather see people robbed of their human rights by non lethal force over lethal force. There's * dozens* of mass killings that prove its not uncommon. You have some wingnut tangent about Ukraine and assumptions that since I don't ride your high horse I'm a bad guy of fantastical proportions. Its weak minded thinkers like you that prop up the evil cabals of this world. Feel free to c…

Engaging in conversations with people like you is a severe intellectual defect of mine constantly on the forefront of my mind, don't worry. > There's * dozens* of mass killings that prove its not uncommon. Do you know what are there dozens of examples of also? Protests that didn't result in lethal weapons being used, or weapons similar to LRAD and ADS. But that doesn't fit the convenient headcanon you oh so desperate…

OK some protests aren't attacked. Agreed. In so called non Democratic countries they tend to be arrested/ imprisoned/ killed.

Uhm. So what? Some protests never happen. Some protests people wear pink hats. Some protests people stay home. So what?

I think being dead is more permanent damage than hearing loss will ever be. So yeah. They're not dead.

Lots of pussies are right and real men are wrong. Not sure why you bring up pussies?

Your high horse is kindergarten clear: bad guys did something bad and we're supposed to have moral outrage or were gonna be condemned

I refused your childish narrative and asserted my right to assert the morally superior position of life over hearing damage: I choose life.

I never called anyone weak minded nor did I say sonic or non lethals were "OK". But you seem weak minded so maybe one person.

Protestors are gonna be suppressed. Gas, arrest, mass beatings, kettling, mass shooting, etc. What does not kill them makes them stronger.

Despite your weak minded analytic skills I appreciate your reply. Please try harder next time even though I know it gives you a head ache.

Cheers.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by [deleted] »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #141
__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? I'd either come back prepared for actual violence, or switch from protest to sabotage. It just screams "escalation" to me.

> If you were at a protest that was starting to get a bit rowdy and somebody used one of these on you, what would you do? Leave. The moment it turns into a riot you’re doing damage to your cause. (If you’re in a protest and see hooligans, restrain them.)

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Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by fc417fc802 »

EA-3167 wrote: post #255
fc417fc802 wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Who knows maybe the versions that existed in the late 1800's did too The ones now and back then aren't any different. They do inflict greater suffering when the injury isn't immediately lethal. They essentially maim the target. There's a legitimate case to be made for home defense because they won't penetrate common building materials nearly as far. It makes them much safer to anyone in the surrounding area. There…

You can argue that any GSW that isn't immediately lethal inflicts suffering, I'm not sure how an expanding head changes that. In a handgun round mushrooming is absolutely about terminal ballistics rather than protection against over-penetration, but it is true that expanding .223 and frangible rounds are focused on over-penetration But again the biggest reason you don't see expanding rounds in war is (especially mode…

An argument that modern body armor has largely negated the incentive does not imply that the ethical concerns don't exist. They are entirely separate points of discussion.

> You can argue that any GSW that isn't immediately lethal inflicts suffering, I'm not sure how an expanding head changes that.

It's a matter of intent and degree. If we collectively threw up our hands every time we encountered a grey area we'd never be able to agree on anything.

The point is that in the event that a weapon fails to kill the target, there are ethical concerns if it does more damage, particularly long term damage, than absolutely necessary. There's no need to make warfare even worse than it already is.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by hippari2 »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #297
hellotomyrars wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who defines what counts as a riot? The people who have the state-sanctioned monopoly on violence are the ones who get to decide when a protest becomes a riot or unlawful assembly. I’m not saying they’re always wrong but when only one group gets to pull the card that allows them to shut down protest it creates perverse incentives.

> Who defines what counts as a riot? Practically, the media and the public at large. I forgot the source, but you can pretty much directly see the negative effect of e.g. bridge blocking on public sympathy for a cause.

I think it's pretty much a useless protest if everyone leaves the moment it become "a bit rowdy". Not to mention that if you meditate for long enough of time ( which is like the most peaceful kind of protest ) the Police will Spray / LDAR you anyway.

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by _heimdall »

lazide wrote: post #341
sidewndr46 wrote: post #324

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As opposed to citizens, who ought to just be thrilled their government is gassing them?

Nuking a non-nuclear country has less risk of MAD style escalation, yes? Same idea.

Is your argument that the use of force should be acceptable as long as you know its asymmetric?

Re: Military grade sonic weapon is used against protesters in Serbia

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Post by ein0p »

ashoeafoot wrote: post #301
observationist wrote: post #27

Serbia had the LRAD systems on hand, after buying them in 2022, most likely from Genasys, but possibly from HyperSpike. https://genasys.com/lrad-products/ It's a legal gray area in Serbia where the use against civilians isn't explicitly forbidden, so they're playing fast and loose and moving fast to crush opposition. It's better than troops just gunning people down, but for a modern, supposedly civilized country it's…

The opposition protesting here is 1/5 of the population of the country . Its basically all people. Like 1 million protesting in a country of 5 million , is all voters between 18- 59. Russia is loosing , the rot of oligarchy is dissolving.

It is impossible for Russia to "lose" in Serbia. The vast majority of Serbs support Russia, and are pissed at their government for not supporting it enough.
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