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Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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At this point there’s only really one thing I want from an iPhone and that’s an option for a 12/13 mini sized device again. Surely those phones didn’t sell so few that it’s not worth doing at all?

The iPhone 13 Mini all by itself sold about the half of the rate of the entire Google Pixel lineup. There is a market for small phones from a reputable manufacturer. Source: Google shipped about 10 million Pixel phones in a year https://9to5google.com/2024/02/22/pixel-2023/ iPhone Mini accounted for about 3% of iPhone sales https://9to5mac.com/2022/04/21/cirp-iphone-13-best-selling-l... iPhones sell about 200 million…

The thing I'd add is that Apple often achieves what it does by doing less. People assume that because Apple makes great things that they can make a lot of different great things. But that's where a lot of other companies falter: they make too many different things to really make a few great things.

Small phones are also difficult. Memory, processors, and batteries don't shrink. For an iPhone mini, they're going to be shipping essentially the same chips taking up the same amount of space. That space is going to have to come at the expense of things like the battery and cooling. It's a lot easier to engineer something with looser tolerances. If you have a giant phone, it's easy to have extra room to keep the phone cool and stuff in a battery.

It also probably meant limiting some choices for the rest of the iPhone lineup. Apple wants to be able to re-use components and to some extent it's going to mean that Apple either has to make choices that work for both a 6.1" and 5.4" form factor or do separate things.

There is some demand for an iPhone mini. I love the iPhone mini. I also see the challenge for Apple.

I think there's also a reason why we haven't seen a successful Android mini phone. It's hard to make a mini phone and the sales numbers are comparatively small.

But maybe we'll see an iPhone mini in a few years time. If Apple can create an integrated CPU/modem/WiFi/Bluetooth chip, that could end up saving a decent amount of space while also reducing power requirements. Maybe we'll be able to go SIM-less around the world and that could save space.

At the same time, it's hard to make the same number of people make another, more challenging form factor and it's hard to scale out with more people too. Plus, do you put your best engineers on the hardest project (the mini) when it's only 3% of sales? Or do you hire new, less experienced, possibly lower skilled people for that and hope you don't put out a product that isn't good?

It's a tough challenge for a tiny amount of sales which, ultimately, aren't going to decide to leave Apple for Android where they also can't get a small phone.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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I wish they would make a mini version of this, it would be perfect. After the 13 Mini, us small phone lovers are screwed.

Lots of Android options available, and much more affordable.

I don't think there is any mainstream Android phone available that is of 12/13 Mini size. In fact there might not be a mainstream one that is smaller than the current base iPhone size.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Nothing gimped about the 13 mini

A lot of the people that wanted a small iPhone jumped at the 12, so the 13 fixing the problems was a bit of a "too little, too late" situation.

You can’t make those people happy, I guess

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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Or MacBooks not having touch screens, or iPads being unable to run macOS / macOS apps even if you buy the $350 keyboard that gives it the same exact inputs as a MacBook, or iPads with modems being unable to place calls. There's all sorts of limitations that seem less like thoughtful design and more like holding back the devices just that bit to make you want another device. You can't just want an iPad Pro, how will y…

It's funny how iPads are marketed as laptop replacements, but everyone with an iPad has a laptop too. Especially the Apple fans who tell you it's a laptop replacement.

Now that Mac Mini is smaller, it's almost viable as iPad sidecar to run MacOS and Linux VMs. The ultimate dongle, with "I should be a hypervisor" graffiti.

Pixel Tablet with GrapheneOS has less limitations and will soon have Linux VMs, but lacks a keyboard travel case, and has been discontinued.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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To be fair, I’ve not used the cable for anything but charging for at least five years

Backup/restore is one common usecase. It's painfully slow with current speed. AFAIK only Pro model support USB3 speeds. Someone more knowledgable can maybe explain if there is any technical/cost reason behind it (I honestly don't see one ).

I believe most people do iCloud backup/restore nowadays. I only do manual backup/restore once every few years when I upgrade my iPhone (even then, I could probably do that via iCloud also)

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When the SE2 and SE3 came out I yelled about the 64gb being complete shit then too. They consistently lag 5 years behind reasonable storage tiers for the price of the phone.

I don’t know about reasonable, I still don’t use more than 100 GB, and I assume that many people don’t really need more.

Its a mix out there. Personally I prefer to keep 100+GB of music on me because cell service in 2025 still sucks, and so does music subscription service offerings.

The average normal person I help with phones all seem to be running out of space but its usually done to junk apps they forgot they had, 60gb of grandkid videos, and 10 years of texts they keep dragging along.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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It seems that this will cannibalize iPhone 16 sales - it's $200 cheaper, same form factor and internals, with the only difference being the camera, which if you care about you go for the Pro model. However, the price makes for a much more appealing upgrade for anyone who has an older iPhone

Which is why this came out in February, after most of the sales of the iPhone 16 are done.

Which is also why we will probably see the discontinuation of the regular iPhone 16 this Fall when the iPhone 17 is introduced, with this 16e staying on at the same price for an extra year.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 16e

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No MagSafe, only Qi (not Qi2). 800 nits typical brightness vs. 1000 for the 16, 1200 nits maximum brightness vs. 1600–2000 nits. Notch vs. dynamic island, of course.

> No MagSafe, only Qi. Qi2 is based on Magsafe. https://www.theverge.com/2023/1/3/23538131/qi2-wireless-char...

> Qi2 is based on Magsafe.

That's an insult to all of the engineering that went into Qi.

The Magsafe specification was an attempt to create the new Lightning connector ecosystem that backfired spectacularly and blew up in Apple's face. It's nothing more than magnets and DRM layered on top of a regular Qi charger.

Naturally Apple used the DRM to limit the charging speeds of their phones when paired with regular Qi chargers. There's a practical reason for this which is how Apple tried to justify their outrageous licensing fee to implement Magsafe.

Unfortunately for Apple, manufacturers mostly said no to Magsafe licensing and Apple's user based complained to Apple that their phones wouldn't charge at the rated speeds of the Qi chargers they bought.

This put Apple in an awkward position where they could tell their users to only buy MagSafe devices, compromise on safety to appease users, or give up on Magsafe being proprietary. Thankfully they chose the later.

Qi2 isn't Magsafe, Qi2 incorporated Magsafe because it improves the standard.

Don't let Apple marketing fool you into thinking Apple is doing this altruistically.

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I would assume that Apple's new firmware would have been written in a memory safe language. They did make some noise about enabling Swift for embedded development at last years WWDC. Although Qualcomm's big zero day last year was related to the DSP and not the baseband, I believe.

>I would assume that Apple's new firmware would have been written in a memory safe language. Memory safe languages don't protect from human programmer complacency and stupidity, or from incidental alphabet agency backdoors.

The patch notes for Qualcomm's big zero day exploit last year certainly gives the impression that this was yet another example of a memory safety error.

> According to the patch instructions, the fix works by adding direct memory access handle references.

https://www.techtarget.com/searchsecurity/news/366612994/Hig...

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The death of Touch ID. Also huge.

Yup, sad news. Anyone who disagrees should try teaching an older relative with less than youthful fine motor control how to use a FaceID equipped iPhone.

I've had the opposite problem: both of my parents' (in their 80s) fingerprints have faded to the point that Touch ID no longer works reliably.
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