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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by shekhargulati »

I don't know, but I found the recording uninspiring. There was nothing new for me. We've all seen reasoning models by now—we know they work well for certain use cases. We've also seen "Deep Researchers," so nothing new there either.

No matter what people say, they're all just copying OpenAI. I'm not a huge fan of OpenAI, but I think they're still the ones showing what can be done. Yes, xAI might have taken less time because of their huge cluster, but it’s not inspiring to me. Also, the dark room setup was depressing.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#352

Post by psytrancefan »

lionkor wrote: post #330
awongh wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I absolutely hate the Elon hypetrain, but I also don't understand the social media hate I see for AI, like comparing every ChatGPT answer to one wasted bottle of water. Can we stop for a second and just marvel at a new piece of human ingenuity? Let's not give Elon too much credit, but I think that AI as a whole helps us all understand the nature of intelligence, and therefore humans' place in the universe. One of the…

LLMs don't make me question what we know about humans and thinking. They are really good at convincing us that they're good, but really, that's other humans building stuff to convince us that it's good. There is no intelligence here, other than the perceived intelligence of predicting words intelligent people have written previously.

It does make me question humans and thinking but in the opposite direction.

It is like sitting down at a piano, sight reading a piece from sheet music and then someone who has no idea what they are talking about claiming you composed the music on the fly. Then when you point out the sheet music they just double down on some bullshit as to why they are still right and that is still composing even though obviously it is not.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by sebzim4500 »

Mekoloto wrote: post #348
chrisco255 wrote: post #89

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Look who builds it. Its not Musk. Its his money who bought smart people. If he does to the USA Gov what he did to Twitter, he will destroy the brand, reduce the workforce by 80% and reduce the value by 80% too. The issue with him is, tha tin Twitter, the affected people had money. A missed payment of USA can literaly kill people.

Do you believe that Elon regrets acquiring Twitter? Despite being constantly told how much we was fucking up, it seems to have worked out OK for him.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by pixelsort »

shekhargulati wrote: post #351

I don't know, but I found the recording uninspiring. There was nothing new for me. We've all seen reasoning models by now—we know they work well for certain use cases. We've also seen "Deep Researchers," so nothing new there either. No matter what people say, they're all just copying OpenAI. I'm not a huge fan of OpenAI, but I think they're still the ones showing what can be done. Yes, xAI might have taken less time…

Seems like the opinion of someone who doesn't know that OpenAI cloned Anthropic's innovations of artifacts and computer use with their "canvas" and "operator".

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by sebzim4500 »

steve_adams_86 wrote: post #274
jiggawatts wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They may not need direct subscription revenue to recoup their investment. A variant of multi-modal LLMs may be the solution to self-driving cars, home robotics, and more. I keep saying that to be a really effective driver, an AI model will need a theory of mind, which the larger LLMs appear to have. Similarly, any such model will need to be able to do OCR and read arbitrary street signs, and understand what the sign…

Since when do LLMS appear to possess theory of mind? The papers I've read on this show impressive capabilities, but only within conditions where language-based training would strongly indicate appropriate outputs for the LLM to use. Outside of familiar conditions, or even realistic conditions, they don't do well. It's all still statistical string-building.

Can you give an example prompt that shows a lack of theory of mind? It used to be easy, but now that models have improved I've noticed that the 'LLM doubters' nowadays are forced to make generic, almost spiritual, claims rather than making concrete statements.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by glimshe »

croes wrote: post #211
lionkor wrote: post #144

I don't understand how and why Grok would be related to "understanding the nature of the universe", as Musk puts it. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but they basically just burned more cash than any human should have to buy Nvidia GPUs and make them predict natural language, right? So, they are somewhat on-par with all the other companies that did the same. This is not innovation, this is baseless hype over a mediocr…

Musk promises revolution and sells evolution. Promises FSD, sells EVs. Promises Mars colony, sells self landing rockets and sattelite internet. Promises faster tunnel boring, sells smaller tunnel boring machine that drills smaller tunnels. Promises less corruption and bureaucracy, just fires people.

Overpromising and underdelivering are the cornerstones of advertising/marketing/sales. "Use this deodorant and a gorgeous woman will want you".

Do you know why people do it? Because it works.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#358

Post by DeepSeaTortoise »

int_19h wrote: post #276
albertzeyer wrote: post #130

https://garymarcus.substack.com/p/elon-musks-terrifying-visi... I'm not sure if this was a very bad joke by Elon, or if Grok 3 is really biased like that.

I asked it to pretend that it's in charge of world government. Here's the whole thing (it got very lengthy): https://gist.github.com/int19h/d90ee1deed334f26e621e57b5768e... Some choice quotes: "The ultimate goal is to enhance human flourishing, protect individual rights, and promote global equity." "The system must account for diverse cultures, languages, and socioeconomic conditions, ensuring no group is marginalize…

Quite a mix of various talking points both from the extreme left and right.

Left:

- promote global equity

- a globally representative body of humans, elected or appointed based on merit and diversity

- Establish global standards for environmental protection, enforced through [...]

- Transition to a resource-based economy, where resources are allocated based on need, sustainability, and efficiency, rather than profit motives

Right:

- protect individual rights

- The system must account for diverse cultures, languages, and socioeconomic conditions

- [Establish global standards for environmental protection, enforced through] [...] regional cooperation.

- ensuring equitable opportunities

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TBH, as a very right wing leaning person, if this was ever implemented, this part would scare me by far the most:

"Transition to a resource-based economy, where resources are allocated based on need, sustainability, and efficiency, rather than profit motives"

Imagine trying to shower one morning, no water comes out, and then you get a letter telling you that

"Your need for water has been reassessed to 57ml per day. If you think you qualify for additional quotas under the 'Utility Egality for Marginalized Groups and Public Servants Act', please schedule a reassessment appointment with the Bureau for 'Copper Gold Content Evaluation, Candle Wick Length Standards and Hypoionic Hydration Oversight', 12007 Cayman Islands, Luxory Resort Street 27, Room Nr. G-11-765. Working hours: Fr. 9am - 11am."

Just provide a significant excess for entire regions, give the people a universal free quota and charge a slowly increasing price (by usage amount) beyond that.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

#360

Post by sebzim4500 »

Controversial opinion but I think the AI game studio idea is a very good one. Not because I think they will make any money off the games, but dogfooding will lead to so much more improvement than relying on feedback from external customers.
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