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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by try_the_bass »

phillipcarter wrote: post #346
try_the_bass wrote: post #331

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Have you considered that perhaps the increasing levels of vitriol and outright hatred directed at him by the left might have had something to do with his rightward trend? They seem pretty correlated. I struggle to see how doubling down on the hatred is going to convince anyone other than _already hateful_ people of the righteousness of your cause?

Have you considered that doing a nazi salute, whether earnest or ironically earnest, is just not okay?

No, it's not okay, and I'm not trying to justify it.

But you (and everyone else in this thread, with perhaps a few exceptions) hated him long before the salute, so to try to blame it on that is pretty disingenuous.

I think trying to justify your hatred of someone based on something the did after you started hating them is pretty "not okay", too, fwiw

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by try_the_bass »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #345
KaiserPro wrote: post #344

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> reached that stage of no wanting the approval of those easily offended people. He craves approval, the people that he crave it from are just as easily offended as anyone else. Can you imagine the death threats if he pulled out a pride flag, or said he loved his transgendered kid?

>> reached that stage of no wanting the approval of those easily offended people. >He craves approval, the people that he crave it from are just as easily offended as anyone else. I would not make that assumption unless I knew him personally.

I mean, I don't know him personally, either, but I do think they're correct that he craves approval.

Hell, he tried to get the left's approval for years. However nothing he did was ever good enough to satisfy the loudest, most critical voices, which I think has contributed to his abandonment of the left as a whole.

It probably didn't help that he was outright snubbed by the previous administration numerous times. I think that blatant disapproval helped shape who he is today, too.

I'm mostly basing this on pragmatism, really. He wants to succeed, and if the left isn't enabling that, of course he'll try the right. They seem much more welcoming (ironic!), and much more supportive of his goals (also ironic, given Tesla's position opposing fossil fuels and climate change!)

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by sangnoir »

Der_Einzige wrote: post #323
sangnoir wrote: post #316

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> Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs This is reductive and lacking any form of nuance. If I eat chicken, should I automatically be okay with heavily industrialized chicken farms, or even setting chickens alight for entertainment? Just because one evolved to be an omnivore doesn't mean one is okay with all forms of killing animals.

Yes, actually you DO endorse the creation of things when you purchase or use their services.

I'm not going to be harangued for being an omnivore who's against factory-farmed chickens. You can lump me with the rest of the meat-eaters if it makes your feel better, but I'll have you know I don't purchase or use their services from those I find objectionable. I make no apologies for having a different moral scale, or liking chicken as a protein source.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by kragen »

kragen wrote: post #161

I wonder how hard it would be for an LLM interpreting the neural signals to perform a convincing simulation of speaking for the paralyzed person while doing things they don't actually want, or after they've suffered a loss of mental function that leaves them not really wanting anything. Like the autism scandals surrounding Facilitated Communication. Not that I think that's what is going on currently. This Greg Egan s…

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If you upvote this comment, people will see this spoiler warning before the spoilers.

Probably that would be beneficial to a substantial fraction of the people reading the thread.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by hoseja »

Veserv wrote: post #306
hoseja wrote: post #177

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> testing the wrong compound or inserting the wrong implant confers zero benefit It's called learning. That's why they are doing it in the first place.

You wanted to test implant A, but you unintentionally used implant B in half of your experiments is not "learning". Unless you needed to learn Surgery 101 like maintaining and going through checklists, but then you are grossly ill-equipped to be doing neurosurgery.

Hey, how was penicilin discovered again?

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by romaaeterna »

computerthings wrote: post #156
romaaeterna wrote: post #118

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here's a video comparison https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1Zwiv8erk0 it is what it is

Hitler's salute doesn't involve the heart gesture, nor did Mussolini's version, which is why they flip to the random guy in a mask in your video.

But it's all nonsense, even if it were exactly the same physical gesture. There's no intellectual or political connection. No sane watcher of events believes that Musk has any connection to the issues of the 1930s-40s Nazi party. It's just not there in his history or very very public persona.

There are eminently sane things to criticize Musk for. There are great points to make. But this sort of thing is crackpot and poisons anyone else trying to make rational critique.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by katzenversteher »

hcurtiss wrote: post #274
Timwi wrote: post #174

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Right, but neither irony nor hypocrisy means that it's wrong. Murder is wrong and if a murderer on death row says that murder is wrong they are still correct.

I suppose, but most people do not believe killing animals to benefit humans is wrong.

Until someone with more power than them (other Humans, Aliens or Robots) decide to apply the same "reasoning" to them.

I mean I totally understand it but it's pretty much caprice.

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